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| IpLaYWiTLiGhTs |
Is it just me or are DJ's forgetting about formatting/programming?
I take a listen to recent sets or sets from a few years back and notice that the DJ has no "vibe" or "story" to his set at all.
Guys like AvB and PvD just bang the out of the entire set, making every track seem like a peak track, and I think that's what turned so many trance listeners away. You can't necessarilly blame the producers for "producing stuff that all sounds the same", but more so the DJ's for slapping the tracks together so that there's no mood change in the sets.
IMO good sets need those amazing intro tracks, "fillers" to let the energy die down a bit, throw in those tracks that no one can stand still to for the peak tracks, then close with an unforgetable tune.
BTW I was listening to Northern Exposure 3 (CD2) and it's what made me think about the topic. I know it's a compilation and these have themes most of the time based on the series, but I'd say it's a good representation of a live set by the artists who mixed it.
An example of a well built set IMO would be Sasha's '99 NYE Gatecrasher set. |
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| Psy-T |
| *The difference between DJs and good DJs. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
*The difference between DJs and good DJs. |
Pretty much. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs
Is it just me or are DJ's forgetting about formatting/programming?
I take a listen to recent sets or sets from a few years back and notice that the DJ has no "vibe" or "story" to his set at all.
Guys like AvB and PvD just bang the out of the entire set, making every track seem like a peak track, and I think that's what turned so many trance listeners away. You can't necessarilly blame the producers for "producing stuff that all sounds the same", but more so the DJ's for slapping the tracks together so that there's no mood change in the sets.
IMO good sets need those amazing intro tracks, "fillers" to let the energy die down a bit, throw in those tracks that no one can stand still to for the peak tracks, then close with an unforgetable tune.
BTW I was listening to Northern Exposure 3 (CD2) and it's what made me think about the topic. I know it's a compilation and these have themes most of the time based on the series, but I'd say it's a good representation of a live set by the artists who mixed it.
An example of a well built set IMO would be Sasha's '99 NYE Gatecrasher set. |
Try some much earlier Sasha sets and see how you feel then. His 1999 sets seem kind of lame compared to them. IMO anyway. |
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| UWM |
| quote: | Originally posted by IpLaYWiTLiGhTs
Guys like AvB and PvD ...
An example of a well built set IMO would be Sasha's '99 NYE Gatecrasher set. |
The problem here is that you're trying to compare people like Armin and Paul van Dyk to Sasha. |
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| charlie lloyd |
i think that theres a difference between certain sets like "telling stories" and "banging" it out for a reason really imo.
with mix cds and radio shows, its better to try structuring and educating your audience more than banging it out by throwing any record together but if your playing out, its better to use crowd interaction and focus on them rather than turn up with a pre-planned idea of what your set will be because how do you know that your "musical lession" isnt going to go down like a lead ballon?
if you think that there are probably only 60% of crowds that are botherd about track selection and craft then the other 40% wouldnt enjoy it.
quite alot of people go to clubs just to dance and have a good time but dance to good music and dont want to be educated. that just life and nothing wrong with that.
but with intros etc, i always make an intro edit if not find a good intro track for the start of my set for a mix cd. but if im doing a set somewhere and following on from another dj then ill just mix into their last track unless theres a huge difference in bpm and style. |
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| excite331 |
| Lets not forget that DJ's rely on current music to form their sets...! |
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| charlie lloyd |
| quote: | Originally posted by excite331
Lets not forget that DJ's rely on current music to form their sets...! |
true although would you play a track that you didnt like because it was new instead of a track you did like that was a few months old?
i play inflexion - pure (olmec heads mix) now and again because it fits with what i like my sound to be sometimes (rather than cos its a classic) and that tracks 8 years old. |
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| Inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by charlie lloyd
true although would you play a track that you didnt like because it was new instead of a track you did like that was a few months old? |
not that I didn't like, but one I didn't love, over an older one that I did, yes. |
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| charlie lloyd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Inconspicuous
not that I didn't like, but one I didn't love, over an older one that I did, yes. |
i know what your saying, i guess its down to really what "fits" and how each of us feel our sets should be like |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| This is by no means a new thing. It's just the perpetrators are more famous now. |
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| DOOMBOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by excite331
Lets not forget that DJ's rely on current music to form their sets...! |
There is plenty of good music out there. Maybe even more so then there used to be. But it is just a matter of taking the time to look for those tracks. Now that music is more accessable and there is a lot more of it, you have to sift through a lot of "crap" in order to find the good tunes. A shame that a lot of dj's clearly don't want to be bothered with that and will just play mostly from their label or own tracks instead. |
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