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Chavez threat to seize food shops
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| Fir3start3r |
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Chavez threat to seize food shops
Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has threatened to nationalise stores that sell meat above a government-set price.
The government says supermarkets have been artificially boosting prices of basic foods by manipulating stockpiles.
But critics blame regular food shortages on prices imposed four years ago, forcing shops to sell at a loss.
Many privately-owned supermarkets have suspended sales of beef, milk and sugar after one chain was temporarily closed for pricing meat above allowed levels.
The government has already seized goods that it says are being hoarded to drive up prices.
The products have been sold at government-run Mercal supermarkets, which sell staple foods at discount prices in poor areas, and at makeshift distribution centres.
'First excuse'
President Chavez told a gathering of pensioners in the capital, Caracas, that he was waiting for the "first excuse" to take over privately-owned outlets that manipulate prices.
"If they insist on violating the interests of the people, the constitution and laws, I will take away the warehouses, the shops, I will take away the supermarkets and I'll nationalise them," he warned.
He has stepped up his nationalisation programme since winning re-election in December.
In recent weeks, he has bought stakes in electricity and television companies from US firms.
Prices raised
Venezuela's inflation rate rose to a two-year high in January, with consumer prices rising 18.4% in 12 months.
Earlier this week, the government raised the prices it sets on staple foods, but retailers said they had not gone high enough to take account of their increased costs.
Some private companies are also concerned about President Chavez's intention to make them allow their employees time during the working day to study socialism.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/...ess/6364515.stm
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Is there anything this man won't touch?
Why doesn't he just get it over with and nationalize the whole country; it's quite apparent that what he really wants; his country on it's knees so they're forced to rely on him.
I'm just wondering, besides what will happen when the oil $$ stops, if his head gets any bigger, will he float off into space? :p
one could hope... |
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| Magnetonium |
Chavez is communist, after all ... not like anyone ever considered Venezuela to be a democracy. |
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| Sunsnail |
| Democracy and communism don't exactly contradict eachother though. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Chavez is communist, after all ... not like anyone ever considered Venezuela to be a democracy. |
it was before he came along. it was a democracy that elected him. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
it was before he came along. it was a democracy that elected him. |
The elections were democratic. But before and since Chavez has been an avid communist, and no surprise to me that he finally decided to get on down with his real agenda ;-) There was no real democracy in the first Chavez term. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
The elections were democratic. But before and since Chavez has been an avid communist, and no surprise to me that he finally decided to get on down with his real agenda ;-) There was no real democracy in the first Chavez term. |
it's still a democracy. what Chavez wants and what Venezuela still is are two different things |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
it's still a democracy. what Chavez wants and what Venezuela still is are two different things |
No, its pretty simple actually. Chavez ran democratic elections for people to decide WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT they want. They didnt choose pro-western democratic candidates, which there were. Just because the elections were fair doesnt mean its a democratic country - one democratic aspect doesnt make the entire system such, you're just using it as excuse to blame Chavez for violating democracy. Pfft. Communism is no democracy. Venezuelans voted in fair elections to choose a COMMUNIST leader. Now excuse me, communism is no democracy, I've lived under one I know what I am talking about. |
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| Krypton |
| Hell, if HITLER could be elected:conf: :nervous: |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
No, its pretty simple actually. Chavez ran democratic elections for people to decide WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT they want. They didnt choose pro-western democratic candidates, which there were. Just because the elections were fair doesnt mean its a democratic country - one democratic aspect doesnt make the entire system such, you're just using it as excuse to blame Chavez for violating democracy. Pfft. Communism is no democracy. Venezuelans voted in fair elections to choose a COMMUNIST leader. Now excuse me, communism is no democracy, I've lived under one I know what I am talking about. |
don't f**kin tell me what i am using as an excuse. k?
for the last time dude, until he disbands the National Assembly and sets fire to the existing Constitution, (which i freely admit he is well on his way doing) Venezuela will remain a democracy. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
don't f**kin tell me what i am using as an excuse. k?
for the last time dude, until he disbands the National Assembly and sets fire to the existing Constitution, (which i freely admit he is well on his way doing) Venezuela will remain a democracy. |
Yet again, humans show me their true dumb colours. You know Hitler's book, Mein Kempf? Well, he wrote it BEFORE it came to power. He and SA terrorized people BEFORE he came to power. And in 1933, people ELECTED him to power. And we all know what happened. Chavez is no democracy, people didnt elect him for democracy because its pretty dam obvious he's not for democracy and you know it. You cant change a communist like Chavez, only idiocy and ignorance will. People elected him in support of his communist policies. Have you seen his election campaign???
Its kinda like electing Stalin alll over again and expect him to be democratic ... thats just stupid. People elected Chavez because they dont give a about their freedoms. Its their fault for picking him. I've seen his reforms coming a long way - in election campaign he bragged about bringing down these evil corporations.
Are you guys really that ignorant to say there WAS democracy in Venezuela? Here's a quote from Wikipedia:
Carlos Andrés Pérez
previous Venezuelan leader
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcos...ez_Jim%C3%A9nez
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In February 1989, at the beginning of his second term as President, he accepted an International Monetary Fund proposal known as the Washington consensus. In return for accepting this proposal, the International Monetary Fund offered Venezuela a loan for 4.5 billion US dollars. Poor economic conditions led to attempts to revolutionize the political and economic structure of Venezuela, but were to late to prevent massive popular protests in Caracas, the capital, that were triggered by the rise in food prices. Carlos Andrés Pérez crushed the protest with the national guard, causing thousands of deaths, and resulted in the declaration of a state of emergency. The protest is now referred to as the Caracazo.
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YEAH, THATS DEMOCRACY ... VENEZUELA HAD A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY BEFORE, WHERE THERE WERE COUPS ALMOST EVERY OTHER YEAR, REVOLUTIONS, CIVIL WAR, corruption, armies gunning down civilian protests, juntas ...
Here's another random Venezuelan leader
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcos...ez_Jim%C3%A9nez
Marcos Pérez Jiménez
"Pérez Jiménez was born in Michelena, Táchira State. His father was a farmer and his mother a schoolteacher. He attended school in his home town and Colombia, and graduated from the Military Academy of Venezuela at the top of his class in 1934. He subsequently studied at military colleges in Peru.
In 1945, he participated in a coup that helped install Rómulo Gallegos (from the Democratic Action party), and became Minister of Defense. In 1948, he led another coup that ousted Gallegos. From 1948 until 1952, Venezuela was ruled by a military ju"nta headed by Lieutenant Colonel Carlos Delgado Chalbaud, that included Pérez Jiménez and Germán Suárez Flamerich. On November 13, 1950, Delgado Chalbaud was murdered. The junta elected Suárez Flamerich as provisional president, but the real power behind him was Pérez Jiménez.
The junta called an election for 1952. When early results showed that the opposition leader was ahead and would win, the junta suspended the election and made Pérez Jiménez President.
Pérez Jiménez changed the name of the country, which had been United States of Venezuela since 1864, to Republic of Venezuela. This name would remain until 1999, when President Hugo Chávez changed it to Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (Spanish: República Bolivariana de Venezuela.)
During his government, Pérez Jiménez undertook many infrastructure projects, including construction of roads, bridges, government buildings, large public housing complexes and the symbolic Humboldt Hotel overlooking Caracas. The economy of Venezuela developed rapidly during his term. Like most dictators, Pérez Jiménez was not tolerant of criticism and his government ruthlessly pursued and suppressed the opposition. While Pérez Jiménez was president of Venezuela, the government of the United States awarded him the U.S. Legion of Merit."
Yay, United States awarded him for being a good dictator ... Yeaaaah!
In case you are trying to defend Venezuela from Chavez taking their democracy, well then let me hit you with some knowledge:
"Current President Hugo Chávez was elected in December 1998 on a platform that called for the creation of a National Constituent Assembly in order to write a new Constitution. "
"February 27, 1989 saw a wave of protests, riots and looting known as the Caracazo, where it is estimated that thousands of Venezuelans were killed after the then-president Carlos Andrés Pérez, a member of the AD political party, decided to suspend the constitutional rights of the citizens, thus allowing the armed forces to confront the rioters by violent means. This led to the failed coup attempts of 1992. In 1998, Hugo Chávez, a leader of the February 1992 coup attempt, was elected President, ending the era of political domination by the AD and COPEI."
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| Capitalizt |
| The people of Venezuela are getting EXACTLY what they deserve. Maybe a few years of increased starvation and poverty will be a wake up call to those stupid lefties. |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
Democracy and communism don't exactly contradict eachother though. |
LOL, what? |
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