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make pads sound less muddy?
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| djbruuen |
| on low chords, they go nuts over a large frequency spectrum. Any suggestions on eliminating this potential muddy sound when playing pads in the low register? |
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| mysticalninja |
| hipass @ 80hz, do some cuts around 250-500. |
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| B_man |
As a little joke I could suggest this:
1. send it through a bandpass filter. Or you could sway a fly with a shotgun and send it through a highpass filter with even MORE cutoff. |
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| jacheatamobits |
if ure chaining it with distortion, which goes first?
or do i just use the EQ in the distortion plugin?
ive always had trouble doing this... |
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| kitphillips |
| Run distortion then eq, Have you tried just sweeping your eq to find the frequency you want and then cutting it? try small bands first, then move up to larger, and don't forget to listen to it on a different system first, as it sounds like you might just be getting a bit of resonance from your speakers, if your monitoring on crappy hi fi speakers (like me..:D ) |
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| BOOsTER |
| quote: | Originally posted by jacheatamobits
if ure chaining it with distortion, which goes first?
or do i just use the EQ in the distortion plugin?
ive always had trouble doing this... |
both will have certain effect
if you place EQ first then distortion...what you get is distorded eqed sound...meaning you have hmm different distortion effect or ... how to say...just try and see...
if you wanna "demuddify" the pad...you better put the EQ to the very last part of the signal chain...
FX order is a thing that's better to try and see, then ask :) sometimes you can just find something cool, because you don't follow someone's advices about how to order your effects...
not that anyone given u a bad advice though...I just thought I'll throw my 2 cents here :) |
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| Derivative |
Dont highpass at 80s and 200-250hz. It depends entirely on the pad and what the root note is. The root note will be around the fundamental frequency which is the lowest sounding, highest amplitude pitch reference in a sound.
If you know the key but do not know its corresponding frequency range you can do one or both of the following:
1) Read it off a spectrum analyser. I recommend Voxengo SPAN because its free and decent.
2) Use a parametric EQ. Make a very narrow notch somewhere in the middle. Now turn your speakers down a bit and play your pad on loop. Flip the notch upside down by taking the gain slider and maxing it out. This will make a very narrow amplitude spike on the EQ. Now slowly sweep the inverted notch up and down the entire frequency range of the EQ. You will hear the harmonic intervals because the sound will suddenly appear to resonate and become very loud at certain intervals whilst remaining quiet in between. The lowest one of these amplitude spikes is the fundamental frequency.
Once you have found the fundamental or one of the offending harmonic 'spikes' (in relation to the fundamental) simply lower the gain slider and gradually turn the inverted notch back into a regular notch to tone this narrow frequency range down a bit.
These super loud harmonic peaks are the intervals you want to EQ out if they are intefering with harmonic intervals of other instruments or their fundamental. Be aware that reducing too much of the harmonics of an instrument will make it sound unnatural and if you cut the fundamental too much you lose most of the pitch reference of the sound. So don't do this with basslines or anything like that where you need that reference.
Create more notches if you need them to take out some of the really powerful harmonics. Again, do don't this indescriminately as notching out all the harmonics will make any harmonically rich sound become totally crap.
You should also note that there is very little beneath the fundamental so if you have a pad and its fundamental is above 80hz, highpassing at 80hz will do practically nothing and it won't save you much headroom.
Also be aware that if you change key, it will shift the fundamental and all its harmonics with it. So if you EQ a pad to notch out a pad in root A with a fundamental around 440hz and notch out some of the harmonics in relation to it and that pad changes key to E (about 630hz) then your EQ settings become redundant after the key change.
This is because you are now notching out the a small area in between its harmonic peaks - areas which you probably don't want to EQ out.
Therefore, you need to either:
1) change all your EQ settings as you change key by shifting them all up the relevant number of hz (in this case you need to move all your notches up about 200hz or...
2) widen the Q of one, some or all of your notches so that they supress a large range of frequency. Doing this too much will make your pads sound very unnatural so use sparingly and always think about what you are doing and for what reason. |
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| substorm |
This is what i usually do!
I use the waves Q10 EQ, but will work with any good EQ.
Band 1:
This is to make the pads avoid interference with other sounds and sub-freq.
Set it as high-pass around 80-90Hz, and Gain around -7 to -9, then set a Q level around 7 - 8.
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Band 6 and 7:
Here we want to take away that hum in the mids.
Set band 6 at around 600-650Hz, Gain around -10db to -12db, and a Q level around 100.
Set band 7 at around 250-300Hz, Gain around -11db to -13db, and a Q level around 100.
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Band 8:
This is to make the highs cut better in the mix, so will boost some like this.
Set it around 2-3Khz, then we boost the Gain to around 4 - 5db, and the set the Q level around 6 - 8.
Good luck
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| DeZmA |
| If you cut that much, I think you'll loose a lot of warmth. I'd try to solve it with some gentle cuts around 100-600 hz and some panning |
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| Derivative |
| Sigh. Anyone who is saying 'cut this range: x hz to y hz' is missing the point. |
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| substorm |
| Dont thing anyone here is saying DO LIKE THIS!!! my tip was just something he could try out, and if he then is happy with the result, then problem solved...right! |
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| Eldritch |
| quote: | Originally posted by Derivative
Sigh. Anyone who is saying 'cut this range: x hz to y hz' is missing the point. |
Well, I don't see the the point with your suggestion. Why go through all the trouble to find out the frequency of the offending bass note and then EQ it out with a narrow band? You do know that notes change over time, right? Should the EQ be automated then?
A highpass cut is a better solution in my opinion.
I agree that posting exact numbers is a bit pointless, you should use your ears, since every pad has a different sound. |
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