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newbie question. Got the beat matchnig down - what's next?e
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| Andryuha |
Well, I can finally beatmatch pretty well. What should I learn next? As of now I have a few problems.
1. After I bring in the cued track - I can't seemlessly fade out the the first track
2. Sometimes - the cued track is much louder then the outgoing track
3. How do I make build - ups and proper effects when making transitions? (I'm using DXM06 mixer)
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| nchs09 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andryuha
Well, I can finally beatmatch pretty well. What should I learn next? As of now I have a few problems.
1. After I bring in the cued track - I can't seemlessly fade out the the first track |
use ur equalizers, not just the fader
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2. Sometimes - the cued track is much louder then the outgoing track
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turn down the music on the louder channel so its the same as the other track:conf: |
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| D-res |
| quote: | Originally posted by Andryuha
1. After I bring in the cued track - I can't seemlessly fade out the the first track
2. Sometimes - the cued track is much louder then the outgoing track
3. How do I make build - ups and proper effects when making transitions?
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1. EQing. Just like nachos said, you'll have to learn to use your highs, mids and lows to their greatest potential. Just experiment and learn what sounds best. You'll get the hang of it. Just start bringing in and taking out certain elements of the track with the EQs. Also, watch your phrasing while doing so.
2. Pay attention to your gain knob and your levels. Your tracks shouldn't be redlining. Keep each track in the greens and yellows. Watch the levels while you're cuing up the incoming track and make sure that it's at the same level as the track thats currently playing.
3. The effects either need to be built-in in your mixer or your decks. My only advice is to experiment and see what souds good. Use delays and loops to build and more 'atmospheric' effects like the flanger during the breaks of a song. It just takes practice and a good ear. |
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| Ryan0751 |
I say do the following, before you jump into eq'ing and effects:
1. Learn to set your gains properly and really listen for levels. Use your ears.
2. Learn proper phrasing, and learn your tracks inside out. The tracks will dictate when you throw in the other track, how much, and when to cut the outgoing track. Listen to the structure of the tracks.
3. You should be able to mix smoothly using JUST the upfaders, don't touch the EQ's yet. You'll be a better DJ for it. Seriously.
| quote: | Originally posted by D-res
1. EQing. Just like nachos said, you'll have to learn to use your highs, mids and lows to their greatest potential. Just experiment and learn what sounds best. You'll get the hang of it. Just start bringing in and taking out certain elements of the track with the EQs. Also, watch your phrasing while doing so.
2. Pay attention to your gain knob and your levels. Your tracks shouldn't be redlining. Keep each track in the greens and yellows. Watch the levels while you're cuing up the incoming track and make sure that it's at the same level as the track thats currently playing.
3. The effects either need to be built-in in your mixer or your decks. My only advice is to experiment and see what souds good. Use delays and loops to build and more 'atmospheric' effects like the flanger during the breaks of a song. It just takes practice and a good ear. |
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| nerdgrl416 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
I say do the following, before you jump into eq'ing and effects:
1. Learn to set your gains properly and really listen for levels. Use your ears.
2. Learn proper phrasing, and learn your tracks inside out. The tracks will dictate when you throw in the other track, how much, and when to cut the outgoing track. Listen to the structure of the tracks.
3. You should be able to mix smoothly using JUST the upfaders, don't touch the EQ's yet. You'll be a better DJ for it. Seriously. |
Excellent advice.
Unfortunately I started messing with the eqs before properly grasping the idea of mixing. That messed me up.:toothless |
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| Zild |
| So true. I find most DJs overuse the EQs to compensate for a lack of solid programming skills. |
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| Rick Mage |
And remember...Get your timing down right. I go in when it reaches beat 32. That works best for me. You also want to have long mixes....not short quick ones. I think 40 seconds to a minute mixes are good. I think coming in with long mixes makes it more easy for me to adjust before coming into the next tune.
Of course, I prefer to use my que over the traditional style by using the monitors. So I can hear how the mix sounds before I come in. I like mixing flawless. I can do both cue mixing or using the monitors only.....It's just, when using the monitors instead, I have to do my correcting when coming in...if need be... Even though I have my levels, to my incoming track, only halfway up compared to the tune that is playing...you can still hear the corrections made if you are that sceptical dj standing on the side wishing you were playing instead of him or her.... |
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| Ryan0751 |
Well it's hard to say how "long" a mix should go for... like I said, lets the tracks tell you. If the incoming track is going into a breakdown, you usually (though not always) will want to drop the outgoing at that point.
I don't know if I agree about cueing in the headphones, works fine at home, not so much in a club. Last night I went to a local club (closed at the time) with a resident DJ friend of mine and we played for a few hours on their system (which happens to be fantastic).
Attempting to hear two tracks in the phones would be impossible (at least for me) in that environment, it's so unbelievably loud with 8 monitors over your head and 2 18" subs at your feet that there's no way you can differentiate two tracks like you do at home. It's even difficult to hear ONE track clearly.
Not to mention that the Rane 2016 mixer they have doesn't have split-cue, or even cueing more than one track in the phones. Just something to be prepared for.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rick Mage
And remember...Get your timing down right. I go in when it reaches beat 32. That works best for me. You also want to have long mixes....not short quick ones. I think 40 seconds to a minute mixes are good. I think coming in with long mixes makes it more easy for me to adjust before coming into the next tune.
Of course, I prefer to use my que over the traditional style by using the monitors. So I can hear how the mix sounds before I come in. I like mixing flawless. I can do both cue mixing or using the monitors only.....It's just, when using the monitors instead, I have to do my correcting when coming in...if need be... Even though I have my levels, to my incoming track, only halfway up compared to the tune that is playing...you can still hear the corrections made if you are that sceptical dj standing on the side wishing you were playing instead of him or her.... |
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| ZeJayMan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rick Mage
. You also want to have long mixes....not short quick ones. I think 40 seconds to a minute mixes are good. |
That's totally subjective. It varies on whatever type of music you're spinning .Having some quick cuts instead of long drawn out mixes is infinitely better in some cases. |
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| Rick Mage |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
Well it's hard to say how "long" a mix should go for... like I said, lets the tracks tell you. If the incoming track is going into a breakdown, you usually (though not always) will want to drop the outgoing at that point.
I don't know if I agree about cueing in the headphones, works fine at home, not so much in a club. Last night I went to a local club (closed at the time) with a resident DJ friend of mine and we played for a few hours on their system (which happens to be fantastic).
Attempting to hear two tracks in the phones would be impossible (at least for me) in that environment, it's so unbelievably loud with 8 monitors over your head and 2 18" subs at your feet that there's no way you can differentiate two tracks like you do at home. It's even difficult to hear ONE track clearly.
Not to mention that the Rane 2016 mixer they have doesn't have split-cue, or even cueing more than one track in the phones. Just something to be prepared for. |
When I'm saying make your mixes long, I'm speaking for the most part. You don't have to have every mix long....just most for it to sound right. You certainly don't want to have a whole set or mix that are mostly short quick mixes....That just sounds like the DJ is trying to sneak out of a possible trainwreck to me....
And about the cueing...you don't have to agree.. :) It's just my preferd method that I use in clubs and raves... :) as for the rane....That's why I can also use the monitors...if need be...I DJed without cue on more than several occasions. It just takes me a little longer to get my beat matched. With cue...I get the beat matched within 20 to 30 seconds. Without cue...about a minute... |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by ZeJayMan
That's totally subjective. It varies on whatever type of music you're spinning .Having some quick cuts instead of long drawn out mixes is infinitely better in some cases. |
This is a trance forum for the most part. |
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| Rippey64 |
cueing only in headphone is a really bad thing cause :
- you dont really cue the track using your brain but only using fact the beat you heard does not beat match.
- most of club mixer like ecler or rodec solid one does not have cue option
- when you are playing in a club with 100-110db, you have to put the sound volume highter in headphone, a friend has lost a lot of audition due to cueing in headphone.
- when you put the fader of track you cueing, you dont really heard the sound of place, you cant correct gain. |
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