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EFX-500 into A&H Xone 92
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| agentdansmith |
What's the best way of connecting up the Xone 92 to the EFX-500?
Should I use 1/4" Jacks, 1/4" Jacks to RCA's or MIDI?
Also, I've been looking into some old threads and someone mentioned just having the EFX unti running off the Master and then straight into the AMP. What's the downside to this? (apart from not being able to select a channel to apply the effect to).
Also, I have heard that the effects sounds crap when using the Send/Return's - is this true?
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| Trance Android |
I'm becoming your stalker ;) :p lol
HERE'S a link for xone92 to EFX unit using midi. They use EFX1000 but I'm sure the EFX500 will be similar if not the same?
Here's a post from the PioProdDJ forum hopefully explaining another solution. Hope it makes some sort of sense!:
The problem I'm having with the Xone 92 is that there doesn't seem to be effects loop capabilities on the board. Instead, the Xone seems to act like a traditional studio mixer with aux sends and returns. The return is controlled by a fader on the right of the Xone 92 and that return signal is ADDED to the mix out, which results in a "doubling" of the effected signal (not only do you hear the dry signal from the fader channel being sent to the EFX, but you also hear the return of the EFX on the return fader as well), unlike the the pioneer which allows the EFX to "get between" the fader channel and mix out with the original/effect knob controlling the wet and dry signal (therefore, no "doubling" of the effected channel).
Now, I know that a work around could be to simply plug the mix out of the Xone into the EFX input and the EFX output into your power amp (or whatever), but then three things come into play:
1) You take away your ability to cue the EFX
2) You take away the ability to hear the EFX in the booth monitor (which is a must in a club DJ setting)
3) You must set the mixer up that way before you start playing on it (not always possible in clubland)
Does anyone out there have a solution to creating an effects loop with the Xone 92 that would (a) get rid of the doubling (without turning the the auxs up and down which would constantly screw up your levels) and (b) allow you to hear the EFX in the booth monitor. Hope my explanation was clear. Thanks in advance!
Here's the reply:
You are absolutely right about everything you have said on how the xone works, indeed there is no effects loop, but a studio style aux system...
Now, to get over this, there are a couple of ways (sorry, none as good as the press of a button on a djm :p )... and they both revolve around the idea of fader swaps, so that you go 100% "wet" (EFX) signal and no "dry" (original)...
a) when you get ready to replace your signal, simply fader up the return channel and fader down the original (with aux set to pre fader, aka button pressed @ aux knob)... this requires, however, 2 things, 1 that you practice the fader swap to minimize noticeable gaps and also that you have your trims set up so that the signal is the same (as a rough guideline, I set the aux at around 50%-noon or 55% and the trim on the return channel at 7.5)
b) the one I use since it seems much better, you make the return of the efx go to a "regular" input, in my case, channel 4... why? well, here you can both monitor the signal better through the LEDs to make sure they're similar to the original, still cue as in return and, best of all, use the crossfader... I set the crossfader between the original channel and the efx channel (say, 2 and 4 - left is 2, right is 4) and the curve to the least sharp... this way I can bring both faders up and when I turn the fader from A to B (doesn't even need to be fast) there is no noticeable gaps at all... so in essence the xfader becomes your send/return on/off button... of course it has its problems, namely you "lose" a channel for the efx and (more importantly to me) you can get confused with the EQing: I start EQing on channel 4 while using the efx and then want to cut the efx but find myself cutting the EQ as well since I return to the original channel where I have forgotten to change the EQ knobs to match channel 4
So, in conclusion, it takes a while to get used to, but I guess you can work it out :p ... at home at least. |
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| agentdansmith |
Cheers for that mate.
I just need to find out which is the best cable type to use. |
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| G-Con |
I might be wrong but I dont think midi is an option as midi does not transmit audio but data for controlling computer software such as ableton.
The idea of returning the efx to a channel on the mixer and using cross fader as a wet/dry control sounds brilliant. I think Sasha sets ableton up in this way... |
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| hooj1 |
| 1/4 inch or rca will work. sound quality isn't that great coming from the efx so cables really don't matter too much unless the cord is over 15 feet in which case you would want 1/4 inch. |
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| andydavey |
| Normally that'd be the case but AFAIK the 1/4" ins and outs on the EFX aren't balanced, so whichever ones you use is irrelevant really. |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by andydavey
Normally that'd be the case but AFAIK the 1/4" ins and outs on the EFX aren't balanced, so whichever ones you use is irrelevant really. |
Cheers for the info.
Could you tell me what the difference is between balanced and unbalanced? It's a term that I've only just started to come across and I have no idea what it means. |
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| Ryan0751 |
Didn't I already answer these questions for ya? ;)
If you are just looking at a 1/4" female jack, you can't really tell without consulting the manual.
If you look at a male jack, you'll see 3 conductor surfaces for balanced. If you look at an unbalanced jack, such as your headphone jack, you'll see it only has 2.
XLR is balanced.
What's the difference?
A balanced jack has 1 connection for ground, 1 for the signal, and 1 for the INVERSE of the signal (hence the term, balanced). Why? For longer cables (20' or more I think), the signal can begin to pick up interference if it's not balanced.
1/4" balanced cables are also called "TRS" - Tip, Ring, Sleave.
For use in your home, you won't tell the difference.
Actually, you just bought a xone 92. Open the manual, they have a whole page showing pictures of the cables and what are are and how they work!
| quote: | Originally posted by agentdansmith
Cheers for the info.
Could you tell me what the difference is between balanced and unbalanced? It's a term that I've only just started to come across and I have no idea what it means. |
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