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The Immigrant Experience
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| prolikewhoa |
Okay, so I'm reading "...and the Earth did not devour him" in my masterpieces of literature class, and it's basically about all of the hardships and discrimination experienced by Mexican immigrants into America. Since the U.S. is all up in arms about controlling the border these days, I was wondering what your thoughts were on this issue.
For a nation of immigrants, we've really chosen who we do and do not consider "American..."
I'll be interested to hear what y'all think about it. |
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| metalgearsolid |
| I like white people more than brown people. So I think for that reason alone mexicans shouldnt be allowed to enter this beautiful nation.:o |
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| Purple |
| Immigrants are traitors.. not poor Mexicans who basically do low wage labor work.. but skilled immigrants like Doctors, MBAs, Lawyers etc who first get education and skill at the cost of its own country's resources and than leave for greener pastures.. |
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| XaNaX |
I'm against illegals of course but I have no problem with legal Mexican immigrants. I don't think I need to list the jobs that they are willing to do that nobody else wants. We would have a serious labor shortage in some of those occupations right now without them. I think they should have the same chance as someone from any other country to come here legally and try to make a better life for their family. But that means come here legally, learn the language, and become a citizen.
The amusing thing is that a lot of the people who discriminate against the Mexicans today are probably of Irish, Italian, Asian, or African descent. The same groups whose ancestors were discriminated against when they came here. Sometimes it seems we never learn from history.
My grandparents came here from Germany. They worked as laborers in a factory. All of their kids put themselves through college and got professional jobs. Most of their children's children did as well. That is what America is all about. |
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| star-traveller |
I'm an immigrant.
I support illegal immigration on 101%. I think people who does that could be called Heroes, 'cause they fight for a better life for themself and their families, without having much to offer. I admire with such people. |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
Okay, so I'm reading "...and the Earth did not devour him" in my masterpieces of literature class, and it's basically about all of the hardships and discrimination experienced by Mexican immigrants into America. Since the U.S. is all up in arms about controlling the border these days, I was wondering what your thoughts were on this issue.
For a nation of immigrants, we've really chosen who we do and do not consider "American..."
I'll be interested to hear what y'all think about it. |
I would say a lot it is down to the fact in the pre US civil war you were at war with Mexico they were a constant threat to the Southern states of the USA, they were your common enemy in a way. Since their close a neighbour your less likely to count them as Americans because your likely to know a lot about their culture.
It's the same in the UK with the French and the Germans. |
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| Omega_M |
| quote: | Originally posted by prolikewhoa
Okay, so I'm reading "...and the Earth did not devour him" in my masterpieces of literature class, and it's basically about all of the hardships and discrimination experienced by Mexican immigrants into America. Since the U.S. is all up in arms about controlling the border these days, I was wondering what your thoughts were on this issue.
For a nation of immigrants, we've really chosen who we do and do not consider "American..."
I'll be interested to hear what y'all think about it. |
Nice round about way of asking the PDD to do your homework. |
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| prolikewhoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_M
Nice round about way of asking the PDD to do your homework. |
i'm actually insulted by that. pardon me if i'm actually interested in what i'm studying. how would this conversation be a homework assignment? |
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| Omega_M |
| forgive me if I'm wrong. Seeking opinions on literary books taught in class smacks of homework. I couldn't help but relate your post to an essay assignment on similar lines. Further, you chose to make a thread not in COR, of which you are a resident member, but in PDD. There is too much circumstantial evidence to warrant a suspicion about your true motives in making this thread. |
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| Lilith |
Most people like their current deal in life when they live in a 1st world country, they might grumble about things like politics and the sort, but they don't really have to fight very much for what they have. They don't have neighbouring countries running over the border with an army, a superpower come rolling through 'fighting for peace' and hurling their ideologies on anyone.
You fall down, there's a wide range of safety nets from both the government and charities to pick you up again and if you really do end up on the streets then you've probably made some kind of catastrophic screw up.
What outsiders always represent to local inhabitants is a threat-
Disease
Customs
Occupation
Culture
and most importantly- Competition
No one wants their place in the sun, so to speak endangered by competition, at all costs the status quo needs to be maintained because they don't want change. They like their nice, normal, boring lives where they're allowed to basically screw up, fall down and not have to fight very hard for anything. Having someone else fall down and need a bit of help getting up in the world is of no concern to the selfish, it's like watching a car accident or someone getting blown up on the news, people starving in refugee camps and the like. Over-exposure dulls the impact until it's part of scenery.
Of course the literal impact of small scale immigration in a small sense has very little effect on people's day to day lives, most integrate and become part of the scenery as well. The press also like to tar the immigrants to some extent with tabloid journalism to make a fuss over nothing, the very small percentage of immigrants that don't 'integrate' (ie: learn the language or adopt the customs) tend to be the older ones, by the 2nd or 3rd generation they're non existent.
Well, aside from the other minority which reject their country of birth in favour of some popular non-conformist attitudes which they go looking for when they can't form their own identity.
What that does, is essentially what the locals that have been there for however many generations do anyway, bitch and whine about things, but it seems alien to them to have someone with a different cultural origin do it because... that appears to be 'criticism' from a foreign national and oh no, we cannot have that in the land of plenty.
And hence the attitude of "if you don't agree with me or my country then move somewhere else!" which is hypocritical in the sense they don't agree with most of the stuff which happens in their country either. :) |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by star-traveller
I'm an immigrant.
I support illegal immigration on 101%. I think people who does that could be called Heroes, 'cause they fight for a better life for themself and their families, without having much to offer. I admire with such people. |
As 'admirable' as they appear, they're still illegal.
If they wanted to come into a foreign country they can use the proper paperwork like everyone else.
If they're going to break the law getting into the country what other laws are they going to break once INTO the country??
Not everyone that crosses the border is a saintly family man just wanting to make a buck... |
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| DJ Shibby |
| i love immigrants and the gifts of drugs they smuggle over for us in their intestines |
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