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CIRCUS new politics against Stereobar? (pg. 3)
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| Tag |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunKenLouis
I just think its none of your buisness |
Couldn't disagree more.
Last I checked afterhours and clubs were around for two reasons. Make money for their owners and provide a service to their clients. Any decision that effects the clients, is very much THEIR business. Sorry louis but the ONLY reason you have a job is because of paying customers, don't forget that. |
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| Marcus007 |
| See I would've closed this thread already... |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
See I would've closed this thread already... |
Why?
People speaking their minds too much for MTLTA to handle? |
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| Marcus007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
Why?
People speaking their minds too much for MTLTA to handle? |
nahhh man cuz this isnt the place to discuss this matter
exclusivity contracts have been around since the dawn of business
no use bitching about it on TA and insulting members of the scene |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
nahhh man cuz this isnt the place to discuss this matter
exclusivity contracts have been around since the dawn of business
no use bitching about it on TA |
Alright, well it's been said now so we may as well censor it then.
:rolleyes:
I am completely aware of business like this and no you're right, it's nothing new, but if it isn't discussed and then no progress is made. Maybe it shouldnt have been discussed in this manner, but it's kind of annoying and possibly something like this will give clubs an opportunity to rethink their stance... or not. Either way knowledge is power. |
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| chikitamtl |
the first time i've heard about that situation was on the tubbies web-site
i was shock but maybe we should wait and see what happens
i'm hopping that the situation will get solves for everybody involve
till then i will still go out to both clubs to support the dj i love
have a good day all MTLTA
as seen on Tubbies:
NOUVEAU 26 mars 2007 – Il se passe quelque chose de très triste dans les hautes sphères du Nightlife montréalais depuis quelques jours. Une guéguerre vient d'éclater entre les Afterhours et croyez-moi, cette dernière sera l'une des plus compliquées à régler. Je n'ai pas l'intention de dévoiler publiquement les raisons de cette mésentente car je tiens à rester neutre dans cette histoire. Pas question de prendre pour l'un, ni pour l'autre. Ils sont assez grands pour savoir ce qu'ils font. Pourquoi je vous en parle alors? Tout simplement parce que cette fâcheuse situation fait en sorte que nous devons annuler le passage de l'ami et DJ Stéfane Lippé à l'After Eight Dayclub ce dimanche 1er avril (et ce n'est malheureusement pas un poisson d'avil)...
Quand les DJs ne peuvent plus jouer où ils veulent, c'est à ce moment que les disputes entre les établissements deviennent pathétiques. Demandez aux DJs ce qu'ils aiment le plus? JOUER. Plusieurs gagnent leur vie à faire danser des centaines d'amateurs chaque semaine. Si de telles chicanes persistent, c'est toute l'industrie qui devra en payer le prix. Vous devez savoir que Stéfane n'est pas le seul à devoir annuler des dates. Mais comme nous sommes les co-producteurs des événements prévus les 1er avril et 13 mai @ l'After 8, nous perdons aussi beaucoup de sous dans cette aventure. C'est triste et frustrant à la fois. Triste pour Stéfane. Triste surtout pour les amateurs qui aiment l'entendre partout.
Je souhaite juste que les gens concernés puissent se rencontrer, discuter et régler le dilemme le plus rapidement possible. La politique, c'est pour l'Assemblée Nationale les boys. Laissez les DJs s'amuser, travailler, s'exprimer. Nous en serons tous gagnants ! |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by chikitamtl
the first time i've heard about that situation was on the tubbies web-site
i was shock but maybe we should wait and see what happens
i'm hopping that the situation will get solves for everybody involve
till then i will still go out to both clubs to support the dj i love
have a good day all MTLTA |
See, nothing wrong has gone wrong here, no private conversations revealed, just a repost from another board. |
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| Tag |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
nahhh man cuz this isnt the place to discuss this matter
exclusivity contracts have been around since the dawn of business
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Genocide, War, Racism etc have been around since the dawn of humanity...does that make it right? |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tag
Genocide, War, Racism etc have been around since the dawn of humanity...does that make it right? |
No Brendan... It doesn't.
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| ImmyJ |
| It looks like the question is business ethics: does business have an ethical obligation to promote more than its ends and does business have an obligation to extend its efforts to include promoting the best functioning of the society and community in which it exists? The answer: yup. The only reason that business is able to operate outside of the ethical or moralistic constraints of the people that are involved in it is because of its discorporeal existence. The fact that corporations are imaginary figures and not actually the group of people involved in working with it, owning it, or managing it is the reason why corporations and businesses are allowed to pollute the planet, engage in anti-constitutional actions in foreign countries and locally, and poison, kill, or maim people without recourse. If the people that owned businesses were actually held responsible for their actions, a lot of the Forbes 500 list CEOs would be behind bars and possibly put to death. 'OK,' you're saying, 'So what the does this have to do with anything?' The concept of the exclusivity contract is derived from the mindset of the corporation or business: it protects the business's ends at the expense of the Djs and the scene's best interests. For DJs, they are held into performing only at specific locales and are seriously limited in the venues, events, and opportunities they can participate in although the idea of having a steady paycheck is nice. The same can be said about doctors, general laborers, and just about any other profession that has similar exclusivity contracts. The scene, likewise, suffers because it is limited in the fluidity of talent and in the ability to spontaneously create new events that are crucial for its own longevity. So there are two perspectives on the issue: exclusivity contracts are great for businesses because they can capitalize on a DJs popularity and make cash. Exclusivity contracts are horrible for the general populace and the scene because it cages what should be the free expression of creativity and contributes to the gradual decay of what should be more of an artistic community than a business venture. Which one is right? I would argue the latter because it has been shown time and again that businesses that act only with their own ends in mind are more destructive than beneficial for almost everyone, their own employees and managers alike. Furthermore, if you think of a corporation as an actual human being, a person who only acts with his or her own ends in mind is a ing jerk and should be treated as such. So circus djs aren't allowed to play at stereobar. Way to go, pal. Way to think of the situation with only your self-serving interests in mind. Paix. |
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| Allied Nations |
| quote: | Originally posted by ImmyJ
It looks like the question is business ethics: does business have an ethical obligation to promote more than its ends and does business have an obligation to extend its efforts to include promoting the best functioning of the society and community in which it exists? The answer: yup.
The only reason that business is able to operate outside of the ethical or moralistic constraints of the people that are involved in it is because of its discorporeal existence. The fact that corporations are imaginary figures and not actually the group of people involved in working with it, owning it, or managing it is the reason why corporations and businesses are allowed to pollute the planet, engage in anti-constitutional actions in foreign countries and locally, and poison, kill, or maim people without recourse. If the people that owned businesses were actually held responsible for their actions, a lot of the Forbes 500 list CEOs would be behind bars and possibly put to death.
'OK,' you're saying, 'So what the does this have to do with anything?' The concept of the exclusivity contract is derived from the mindset of the corporation or business: it protects the business's ends at the expense of the Djs and the scene's best interests. For DJs, they are held into performing only at specific locales and are seriously limited in the venues, events, and opportunities they can participate in although the idea of having a steady paycheck is nice.
The same can be said about doctors, general laborers, and just about any other profession that has similar exclusivity contracts. The scene, likewise, suffers because it is limited in the fluidity of talent and in the ability to spontaneously create new events that are crucial for its own longevity. So there are two perspectives on the issue: exclusivity contracts are great for businesses because they can capitalize on a DJs popularity and make cash. Exclusivity contracts are horrible for the general populace and the scene because it cages what should be the free expression of creativity and contributes to the gradual decay of what should be more of an artistic community than a business venture.
Which one is right? I would argue the latter because it has been shown time and again that businesses that act only with their own ends in mind are more destructive than beneficial for almost everyone, their own employees and managers alike. Furthermore, if you think of a corporation as an actual human being, a person who only acts with his or her own ends in mind is a ing jerk and should be treated as such. So circus djs aren't allowed to play at stereobar. Way to go, pal. Way to think of the situation with only your self-serving interests in mind. Paix. |
paragraphs ftw
oh and i agree with you 1000% |
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| FunKenLouis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Tag
Couldn't disagree more.
Last I checked afterhours and clubs were around for two reasons. Make money for their owners and provide a service to their clients. Any decision that effects the clients, is very much THEIR business. Sorry louis but the ONLY reason you have a job is because of paying customers, don't forget that. |
I was saying its not of your buisness cuz its not even clear yet
Having a circus dj play at stereobar on a wednesday - thursday or sunday is ok with me
But circus dj playing at stereobar on a friday - saturday is whats bugging them
Especially when its an official Voices party or any other stereo night
On the same poster etc...
You got me wrong
Its just that it is being discussed and nothing is really clear yet
Thats why it shouldnt be on the boards etc |
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