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Music Progression During a Party (pg. 2)
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| D:Jay |
So far after listening to Lex, DaveT and Alain's opinion on this issue, seems like most senior members of the group feels like "proper" progression can make or break a party for them.
I would point out though that when I talked to the regular or a casual club or party goer, they feel that they should be hearing bomb tracks one after another as soon as they hit the dance floor. They don't care if the opener is playing or the headliner is already on. They just want to hear tracks that will make their body move. Most of them feel that once they get to the club, they need to dance.
For example, last year when Jerry Bonham was opening for PVD I personally liked his set. It's a bit mellow with a little bit of attention grabber in it enough to make me dance for about 10 mins but for the most part I was just tapping my feet. I listened to it for about an hour and it was enough time for me to get ready for PVD's set. However, for a lot of my friends, they were so BORED to death and it took 'em half way to PVD's set to get their mood in the right place.
On the other hand I've seen some of the local SFTA openers like James Williams, John Beaver and Blurr play a bit harder than most people here (TA) would expect from an opener but the crowd were going nuts all night because the headliners they opened for were able to keep the energy going.
I know that there should be a general rule but for the most part, I really think that it's up to the individual club goer on what floats their boat. |
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| Techno_Twins |
I agree with most of what you say Dave but it's hard for me to take into account what you say when we've never heard you spin....set the date & time & we are there! ;-)
You have a right to your opinion though...but naming people is a bit harsh, at least they're out there doing it.
While I do feel there is a implicit format to sets beginning to end that all DJs go by I also feel that not everyone agrees with that standard. As for us we like it pretty hard, but we do like uplifiting trance like anjunabeats, A State of Trance, etc as well, but not the whole night.I understand the dynamic of mixing trance like that as well as vocal trance in with the harder trance, don't wanna have your crowd pass out on you after the first hour.
We like a mixture & honestly the best person we've seen do that is Taj, but we've also haven't seen any other DJ spin as much as TAJ. As far as openers never really get to catch any opening sets cause we work late & don't usually get to clubs until after 2, but have seen many in the past & prog. trance/ house works for us to start off with. Also, I don't mind if it ends on a hard note either, no need to bring us down we like to dance until the very end. We also don't like too much melodic trance. We like listening to it in the car but in clubs it's just too slow. :D :haha: |
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| MR STROKE |
I think its nice sometimes to see someone like Hernan Catteno follow someone like Christopher Lawrence because you get a chance to see Hernan play alot harder than he usually would.I think in the right situation it can work.
I read an interview with Danny Howells once were he said he always gets booked with djs like Lawler because there styles are similar, but he had just came off of UMF were he got to follow Carl Cox and said he loved it becuase he got a chance to play a bunch of banging house/techno. Not your typical "ideal" progression but I think mixing it up can work if done right.. |
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| lex400sc |
| well first we need to establish that there are several groups of clubgoers here... some people are newcomers to the scene and all they know is they love the sound of trance, some are just there to dance and have fun and don't pay any attention to progression at all, and some people have been listening to the best djs in the world for too long to forego critiquing the flow of a set from beginning to end. the first group probably doesn't even realize when a trainwreck is occurring and continues to dance on with a giant smile. the second group doesn't care about builds or overall structure, they want to hear their top 10 tunes played in a row. the third group is without a doubt the minority in the crowd. they aren't impressed unless they really hear something they themselves could not have come up with. neither of these groups are in the right when it comes to opinion, but if you want truthful and constructive feedback on how to improve yourself as a dj, there is really only one group you should be asking. |
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| Alain |
| quote: | | there is really only one group you should be asking. |
yes and that group would be the bartenders because they're the ones who really have to listen to DJs the whole night
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| lex400sc |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alain
yes and that group would be the bartenders because they're the ones who really have to listen to DJs the whole night
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if you ask the bartender, all he really wants is his $2 tip haha |
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| D:Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
well first we need to establish that there are several groups of clubgoers here... some people are newcomers to the scene and all they know is they love the sound of trance, some are just there to dance and have fun and don't pay any attention to progression at all, and some people have been listening to the best djs in the world for too long to forego critiquing the flow of a set from beginning to end. the first group probably doesn't even realize when a trainwreck is occurring and continues to dance on with a giant smile. the second group doesn't care about builds or overall structure, they want to hear their top 10 tunes played in a row. the third group is without a doubt the minority in the crowd. they aren't impressed unless they really hear something they themselves could not have come up with. neither of these groups are in the right when it comes to opinion, but if you want truthful and constructive feedback on how to improve yourself as a dj, there is really only one group you should be asking. |
I hope I stay within the first 2 groups then, sounds like the 3rd group is having less fun :clown: |
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| D:Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alain
yes and that group would be the bartenders because they're the ones who really have to listen to DJs the whole night
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Very true Alain. If you want to ask someone who's the DJ that's a crowd favorite, just ask the bartenders. They know what the crowd feels at any given night. |
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| DaveT |
My calling out names wasn't done to make people think they aren't good....just that they have had off-nights (in my eyes) as an opener. That's not to say their sets aren't great. It's to say that their progression into the headliner lacked a bit. I love most of the opening sets that lacked proper progression on its own.
And I can say it about a ton of openers I didn't list -- I was just listing some people who we have started to see as regular openers (as in, they get booked for headliner openings on a regular basis) in town and people I have respect for. People I know. People I know can be outstanding DJs.
Being an opener is surely a learning experience and who knows all of these new regulars might be some of the best SF has ever seen in the next couple of years. That's unless they refuse to educate themselves (maybe Taj can teach a class? :p) as much as they can as to what makes a great opener.
What I said was just how I see things right now. It's a transition period, ya know? I know things will improve...I have hope. ! :-p
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| lex400sc |
| quote: | Originally posted by D:Jay
I hope I stay within the first 2 groups then, sounds like the 3rd group is having less fun :clown: |
more power to ya! i can be all 3, sometimes even on the same night |
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| D:Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by lex400sc
more power to ya! i can be all 3, sometimes even on the same night |
Btw Lex, I say that will all due respect to all the senior members in here that knows their Sh*t. I just feel that if I'm paying to go to a party or an event with $5 beers and $5 water bottles, I shouldn't be worrying too much about stuff that the Paid Pro DJ should be worrying about.
I just wanna have FUN :gsmile: |
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| Techno_Twins |
| quote: | Originally posted by DaveT
My calling out names wasn't done to make people think they aren't good....just that they have had off-nights (in my eyes) as an opener. That's not to say their sets aren't great. It's to say that their progression into the headliner lacked a bit. I love most of the opening sets that lacked proper progression on its own.
And I can say it about a ton of openers I didn't list -- I was just listing some people who we have started to see as regular openers (as in, they get booked for headliner openings on a regular basis) in town and people I have respect for. People I know. People I know can be outstanding DJs.
Being an opener is surely a learning experience and who knows all of these new regulars might be some of the best SF has ever seen in the next couple of years. That's unless they refuse to educate themselves (maybe Taj can teach a class? :p) as much as they can as to what makes a great opener.
What I said was just how I see things right now. It's a transition period, ya know? I know things will improve...I have hope. ! :-p
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I know I'm just messing with you...it's hard to tell humor from insult on message boards. I almost always agree with what you & Lexx say. If DJs & aren't willing to take constructive criticism from people who know the scene and are educated on the ways of dance music & so on, then they probably wont last long...but each situation is different. They may have been immersed in the scene way before DJing which is a definite advantage from my perspective, along with practice.:D |
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