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Row over Sarkozy's paedophilia comment refuses to go away
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| CranberryJuice |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/france/st...2053956,00.html
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Row over Sarkozy's paedophilia comment refuses to go away
Kim Willsher in Paris
Tuesday April 10, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
The French rightwing presidential hopeful Nicolas Sarkozy defended himself on television today after widespread criticism of an interview in which he said paedophiles are born, not made.
Mr Sarkozy defended his view, outlined in a philosophy magazine, that individuals might be genetically predisposed to molest children. "What part is innate and what part is acquired? At least let's debate it, let's not close the door to all debate," he said.
He added: "I'm inclined personally to think that you are born paedophile and it's a problem that we don't know how to treat this pathology."
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Row over Sarkozy's paedophilia comment refuses to go away
Kim Willsher in Paris
Tuesday April 10, 2007
Guardian Unlimited
Nicolas Sarkozy. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images
The French rightwing presidential hopeful Nicolas Sarkozy defended himself on television today after widespread criticism of an interview in which he said paedophiles are born, not made.
Mr Sarkozy defended his view, outlined in a philosophy magazine, that individuals might be genetically predisposed to molest children. "What part is innate and what part is acquired? At least let's debate it, let's not close the door to all debate," he said.
He added: "I'm inclined personally to think that you are born paedophile and it's a problem that we don't know how to treat this pathology."
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Referring to young people killing themselves, Mr Sarkozy also spoke of a "genetic fragility, a preconditioned pain".
"I don't want to give parents a complex. It's not exclusively the parents' fault every time a youngster commits suicide," he said.
The archbishop of Paris, Monsignor André Vingt-Trois, led criticism of Mr Sarkozy.
"What seems most serious to me is the idea that you can't change the course of destiny," he said.
Marie-George Buffet of the Communist party said Mr Sarkozy's remarks were "extremely serious" and from another era.
"It goes back on everything that has evolved through science in our society," she said. "That is to recognise that every man and every woman is free and not that their whole life is already written in their genes and there's nothing they can do about it."
Philippe de Villiers, another rightwing candidate, also affirmed the principle of man's "liberty" and excluded all idea of "predetermination".
François Bayrou, third in the polls behind frontrunner Mr Sarkozy and the Socialist candidate Ségolène Royal, had already declared the comments to be worrying.
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a view of what's going on in here with the comming elections......
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| Q5echo |
i wish i knew more of what is going on in that election.
i know Sarkozy (cool name) has opened up a fairy sizable lead from the Socialist, Royale (another cool name). it seems that Sarkozy has made himself the more sane candidate, but Royale has the younger welfare state on her side. anyway, thats how i interpret it at least.
France is just fascinating to me.
maybe it's a culture thing i'm overlooking, but how does this hurt Sarkozy? |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | | Marie-George Buffet of the Communist party said Mr Sarkozy's remarks were "extremely serious" and from another era. |
Yeah, the Nazi era. They had some peculiar views on ancestral inheritance too. |
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| Q5echo |
| sounds like the lefties are trying to "Bork" him. |
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| CranberryJuice |
Im usually a liberal person but it's a bit worrying to see that even le pen who represents the extreme right party appears now even less dangerous than sarkozy
yesterday i was watching the news and heard le pen saying "oh well portuguese who are not french....and live in france first of all we should consider them as european citizens right so they are welcome"
:wtf: i mean in 2002 for the last elections he was the one claiming "the france belongs to the french"
on the other hand sarkozy is mixed up with the will to "make a minister about immigration" and to send back home all the people who are illegally in france
u got it .....both are trying to get all the votes from the people who are not sure yet if they will vote le pen or sarkozy
actually these elections are so depressing ...economy cant stop falling down....we are lacking of competitivity and when u see the people who will govern us (let's consider 3 or ...4 serious potential candidates)
it gives u the idea of escaping far away :( |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
| quote: | Originally posted by CranberryJuice
Im usually a liberal person but it's a bit worrying to see that even le pen who represents the extreme right party appears now even less dangerous than sarkozy
yesterday i was watching the news and heard le pen saying "oh well portuguese who are not french....and live in france first of all we should consider them as european citizens right so they are welcome"
:wtf: i mean in 2002 for the last elections he was the one claiming "the france belongs to the french"
on the other hand sarkozy is mixed up with the will to "make a minister about immigration" and to send back home all the people who are illegally in france
u got it .....both are trying to get all the votes from the people who are not sure yet if they will vote le pen or sarkozy
actually these elections are so depressing ...economy cant stop falling down....we are lacking of competitivity and when u see the people who will govern us (let's consider 3 or ...4 serious potential candidates)
it gives u the idea of escaping far away :( |
It's a real tough one. I would say the comments about Paedophiles is a difficult subject to tackle. For an example some people are born gay others are born in the wrong body they cannot help that, others make a choice to become that way. With paedophiles it's a very different ball game a lot of them have and come from a loving family brought up in a decent background, others were abused as kids and unfortunatly do the same in return.
It would be good to see some scientific information and case studies by Psychologists. Even though I would say you'd be pushed to find anything scientific like a certain gene or horomones present which make people turn so evil.
On the far right comments like France for French I actually agree in some aspects. People should be aloud to immigrate and be proud of their roots, but on their behalf they need to make an effort to intergrate into the country they've immigrated too.
I agree on the illegal immigrant crackdowns too. I agree in building camps, where people stay for 3 months they learn about the country they're moving too and document information about the immigrants real identity. Once this information is checked out and documented then their given a social security number and let out into society.
However I wish immigration would be based on a points system and used in order to bridge gaps in the labour market. |
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| CranberryJuice |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
I agree on the illegal immigrant crackdowns too. I agree in building camps, where people stay for 3 months they learn about the country they're moving too and document information about the immigrants real identity. |
Aww im sorry but this idea of staying in a camp for 3 months sounds awful to me , even though i see ur point i dunno what about human rights dear?
like myself u see i wanna immigrate when im done with studies to work abroad and i wouldnt imagine myself in the worse case staying parked in some camp the time to get my info checked
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
| quote: | Originally posted by CranberryJuice
Aww im sorry but this idea of staying in a camp for 3 months sounds awful to me , even though i see ur point i dunno what about human rights dear?
like myself u see i wanna immigrate when im done with studies to work abroad and i wouldnt imagine myself in the worse case staying parked in some camp the time to get my info checked
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Only illegals that should be for and asylum seekers. If your a geniune immigrant who has filled out all the paper work had your details checked then I think your free enter. However they should set up weekly classes for geniune immigrants to attend covering subjects about on the countries history and laws etc. |
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| d-miurge |
| A force de courir derrière Le Pen il finit par dire des conneries du même genre. |
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| CranberryJuice |
cant really say im agreeing with all ur ideas
but it's fine i respect them !
alright it's time to stop being lazy ....
gotta study
i'll try to debate a bit later in the day;) |
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| CranberryJuice |
| quote: | Originally posted by d-miurge
A force de courir derrière Le Pen il finit par dire des conneries du même genre. |
il essaye de lui piquer ses votes oui!
et au final ....le pen finit par apparaitre comme un doux petit agneau
what a joke:( |
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| HardTranceProd |
Of course pedophilia is an inborn sexual preference, determined by genetics, similar to homosexuality, being left-handed, etc.
The science of sex is fascinating and I advise everyone here to read the book "Sperm Wars", by British scientist Robin Baker, which describes and explains (in a very scholarly way) the origins of all sexual behavior. |
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