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Exiled Russian tycoon officially calls for a Coup
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| HardTranceProd |
Wow, this is a bit over the top now. It's ok to criticize, but calling for a coup d'etat by means of force, while being exiled in another country, could be considered a crime in most countries...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18088697/
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Exiled tycoon calls on Russians to oust Putin
Kremlin calls for Berezovsky's extradition following report in U.K. paper
MOSCOW - Russian tycoon Boris Berezovsky called for the use of force to oust President Vladimir Putin’s government and claimed he has support from members of the country’s political elite, a British newspaper reported Friday.
Russia reacted swiftly to the prominent Kremlin foe’s remarks. Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Berezovsky was abusing his asylum status in Britain and renewed calls for his extradition, while the chief prosecutor ordered a new criminal case opened against him, Russian news agencies reported.
In an apparent effort to foment political unrest ahead of elections, the exiled billionaire claimed he was funding influential insiders who are conspiring to take power, according to the Guardian newspaper.
“We need to use force to change this regime, because ... this regime is unconstitutional,” Berezovsky said in an audio excerpt posted on the Guardian’s Web site.
Berezovsky — a former Kremlin insider who fell out with Putin and fled to Britain, where he was granted asylum — accused the Russian president of creating a totalitarian regime. In the audio clip, he said that “there is no chance to change that through elections, and (the) only way (is) to use power.”
Political elite on board?
According to the Guardian, Berezovsky claimed to be in contact with unidentified members of Russia’s political leadership and had offered them financial aid as well as “my understanding of how it could be done.”
He did not identify any individuals or groups, but the Guardian said Berezovsky claimed to be in contact with people inside the Kremlin who were conspiring to mount a palace coup. In the past, Berezovsky has said he has bankrolled opposition forces rather than government insiders.
“If one part of the political elite disagrees with another part of the political elite — that is the only way in Russia to change the regime. I try to move that,” the Guardian quoted Berezovsky as saying.
The Guardian interview comes amid rising tensions ahead of parliamentary elections in December and a presidential vote next March to replace Putin. Under the constitution, Putin is barred from seeking a third consecutive term.
Putin has signed laws that critics say have rolled back democracy and are designed to ensure the current Kremlin leadership retains power following the presidential election.
Russia calls for extradition
Berezovsky’s remarks provoked new calls from the Russian government for Britain to extradite the tycoon for prosecution here.
State-run Rossiya television quoted Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying Berezovsky’s remarks could be considered a crime under Russian law and that Britain should not provide asylum to anyone seeking to change the Russian government by force.
Lavrov said Russia has long been asking Britain to revoke his asylum status, adding that “he is conducting actions that, under British law, demand his handover,” the ITAR-Tass news agency reported.
Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika said he had ordered authorities to open a new criminal case against Berezovsky because the remarks contain “calls for the violent seizure of power,” RIA-Novosti reported.
Britain granted Berezovsky refugee status in 2003, turning down an earlier Russian extradition request. Russian prosecutors renewed the effort last year, but a British judge ruled that he could not be extradited because his asylum status meant he was protected by the Geneva Conventions.
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| Magnetonium |
... don't forget that Litvinenko and Berezovsky are connected. Plus Berezovskiy refused to co-operate and answer many questions in the Litvinenko probe headed by Russo-British task force.
Even though Putin's no angel, I am deeply against any sort of coup d'etat in Russia. It will plunge Russia into chaos, economic collapse, civil war. Dumb dumb idea. How about winning elections instead? But Berezovskiy knows he and his radical supporters stand no chance, so force and intimidation, propaganda is the only other way. Like the communists rose to power. Extremists. Power hungry s, greedy rich bastards like Berezovskiy really want power. |
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| pmoisse |
Interesting, though I really don't expect much to come of it, other than maybe end up saving this dude's life.
By going this public with his call for regime change (however misguided or absurd) there's not much chance of him "disappearing" or getting shot in a drive-by since there would be obvious suspicion of Putin. Moreso than in previous cases even. |
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| HardTranceProd |
| quote: | Originally posted by pmoisse
Interesting, though I really don't expect much to come of it, other than maybe end up saving this dude's life.
By going this public with his call for regime change (however misguided or absurd) there's not much chance of him "disappearing" or getting shot in a drive-by since there would be obvious suspicion of Putin. Moreso than in previous cases even. |
Yeah. The guy's a former mathematician - you can bet your ass he's calculated all the costs/benefits of every strategy. |
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| Dopey |
| I just can't understand how you can ban marches. How is that freedom? |
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| pmoisse |
^^ Correction: The people are free to march in [i]support[i] of President Putin.
There's your marching freedom.
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| Q5echo |
i inclined to believe that Russia, as a society, just isn't genetically predisposed to the ideals of modern freedom.
nothing i've seen since '87 has come close to convincing me otherwise.
as seen in Pravda today, the absolutely absurd
>link to the absurd<
Pravda's propaganda is claiming Don Imus was fired by Buler and co. b/c he knew the secrets behind 9/11 and was about to reveal them.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
it's on today's front page. pathetic:rolleyes: |
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| Dopey |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
Pravda's propaganda is claiming Don Imus was fired by Buler and co. b/c he knew the secrets behind 9/11 and was about to reveal them.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
it's on today's front page. pathetic:rolleyes: |
lol are u serious? probably something to do with the racist pricks not being able to comprehend that racism isn't accepted everywhere. |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i inclined to believe that Russia, as a society, just isn't genetically predisposed to the ideals of modern freedom.
nothing i've seen since '87 has come close to convincing me otherwise.
as seen in Pravda today, the absolutely absurd
>link to the absurd<
Pravda's propaganda is claiming Don Imus was fired by Buler and co. b/c he knew the secrets behind 9/11 and was about to reveal them.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
it's on today's front page. pathetic:rolleyes: |
I can bet you one million dollars if TOMORROW elections were run in Russia, free of corruption and intimidation/violations, Putin would win by a landslide. And I would vote for him too. He represents democracy, he represents stability, he represents better life in Russia than even Yeltsin could have ever imagined. Freedoms and rights in Russia are guaranteed better than in most Asian or African or even south american countries. Work in progress, things will get even more democratic as time passes by, democracy doesnt develop overnight bud. Give it time.
Putin calls for economic growth, human rights, stability ... Berezovskiy calls for anarchy, coup, for military attack against leadership of Russia, to install his own puppet. In fact, Putin represents Russian people better than any pro-western puppet can ever do. Because pro-western puppets will serve their western interests first, and Russian people second. Putin has done a lot for Russia. Standards of living, end of war in Chechnya, stability, higher standards of living, higher income, etc. etc. etc. constitution finally enforced, regions given self-government, etc. etc. etc. and all the lunatics like to brag how its all a lie. You guys haven't seen things inside Russia at all compared to just a few years ago before Putin came to power, have you? |
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| Dopey |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
I can bet you one million dollars if TOMORROW elections were run in Russia, free of corruption and intimidation/violations, Putin would win by a landslide. And I would vote for him too. He represents democracy, he represents stability, he represents better life in Russia than even Yeltsin could have ever imagined. Freedoms and rights in Russia are guaranteed better than in most Asian or African or even south american countries. Work in progress, things will get even more democratic as time passes by, democracy doesnt develop overnight bud. Give it time.
Putin calls for economic growth, human rights, stability ... Berezovskiy calls for anarchy, coup, for military attack against leadership of Russia, to install his own puppet. In fact, Putin represents Russian people better than any pro-western puppet can ever do. Because pro-western puppets will serve their western interests first, and Russian people second. Putin has done a lot for Russia. Standards of living, end of war in Chechnya, stability, higher standards of living, higher income, etc. etc. etc. constitution finally enforced, regions given self-government, etc. etc. etc. and all the lunatics like to brag how its all a lie. You guys haven't seen things inside Russia at all compared to just a few years ago before Putin came to power, have you? |
I agree with you that Putin should be ousted from power. |
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| DJ Shibby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i inclined to believe that Russia, as a society, just isn't genetically predisposed to the ideals of modern freedom.
nothing i've seen since '87 has come close to convincing me otherwise.
as seen in Pravda today, the absolutely absurd
>link to the absurd<
Pravda's propaganda is claiming Don Imus was fired by Buler and co. b/c he knew the secrets behind 9/11 and was about to reveal them.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
it's on today's front page. pathetic:rolleyes: |
Must be the climate! :haha: |
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| Magnetonium |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i inclined to believe that Russia, as a society, just isn't genetically predisposed to the ideals of modern freedom.
nothing i've seen since '87 has come close to convincing me otherwise.
as seen in Pravda today, the absolutely absurd
>link to the absurd<
Pravda's propaganda is claiming Don Imus was fired by Buler and co. b/c he knew the secrets behind 9/11 and was about to reveal them.:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
it's on today's front page. pathetic:rolleyes: |
Pravda isn't the best and most accurate and better represented newspaper in Russia, though ironically its name is "The Truth". I dont like Pravda articles, some of them are quite odd. What you are basically doing is taking some bad Russian newspaper (on par to Fox News) and say that it represents Russian media and thinking. Wrong. For that, I recommend checking out www.vesti.ru or www.radiomayak.ru - two very well respected and popular media and radio sources in Russia, respectively. I love Radio Mayak to the death. |
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