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| ReenTeenTeen |
| ^^ one fact is still true though - it happened :( |
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| peace n trance |
| and they said he didn't even say a single word throughout the entire thing... to anyone. how creepy... what a ing villain. at least he's surely burning in hell at this moment. |
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| kingchinc |
given that the killer was pure evil, I think attention should be paid more to honoring the lives lost than villifying the shooter.
just my opinion.
my heart goes out to all the families involved in the shootings. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kingchinc
given that the killer was pure evil, I think attention should be paid more to honoring the lives lost than villifying the shooter.
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
How appropriate of the president to throw his personal opinion about guns in a speech about a tragedy involving guns.
anyway, that right is a misreading of the constitution, and the supreme court, when it becomes more liberal, needs to address the constitutionality of the right to guns.
There's a reason like this doesn't happen in places like the UK. |
First, let me state for the 8,000,000th time how much I hate Bush.
Now that's out of the way, let me address the real issue. You make it sound like he started the discussion regarding guns after today's events. Immediately after this happened, all the anti-gun people jumped on the opportunity. Why aren't you jumping on them for their opportunism regarding this tragedy instead of bitching about the guy, who at that time, was already defending against criticism already being spoken.
As a gun owner, this sort of is even worse for us. We still feel the tragedy like everyone else, and at the same time, realize we have to gear up for another debate on gun ownership rights. It's a debate that affects millions of law-abiding citizens who use guns for the reasons that we were raised to use them: hunting (which happens in the UK), target shooting (also in the UK), and self-defense from crazy s like this guy.
I've always a safe user of firearms, having spent a great deal of my childhood shooting comptetitively and having spent some of the better times I've had with my father hunting and learning how to shoot. Quite honestly, it's insulting to get grouped in with people like this psycho and the Columbine kids like all gun users are the same, which is exactly the way some people try to make it sound.
By the way, jerZ07002, where'd you get all of your training in constitutional law that you're such an expert on how it's misread?
Sorry to detract from the main issue, the tragic, random loss of life that occurred today, but you're the one who felt the need to drag your politics into the thread. |
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| peace n trance |
| quote: | Originally posted by kingchinc
given that the killer was pure evil, I think attention should be paid more to honoring the lives lost than villifying the shooter.
just my opinion.
my heart goes out to all the families involved in the shootings. |
yea i agree too... its just hard not to be angry over the entire situation. i just wish there were some sort of explanation, i don't understand why someone could do something like this. what goes through a killer's head before and while he does this... how does he justify it??? how is it okay, and how is it something that needs doing to him?? people are just so cruel. |
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| jerZ07002 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Now that's out of the way, let me address the real issue. You make it sound like he started the discussion regarding guns after today's events. Immediately after this happened, all the anti-gun people jumped on the opportunity. Why aren't you jumping on them for their opportunism regarding this tragedy instead of bitching about the guy, who at that time, was already defending against criticism already being spoken.
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First, because i was at work and didn't hear any of that. I don't like any activism during times like these. Secondly, despite the fact, he's the president and gets the most headlines. His voice is heard the furthest and loudest. Thirdly, i don't agree with him. Lastly, regardless if he was defending a position, he was using a tragedy to promote his position.
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
By the way, jerZ07002, where'd you get all of your training in constitutional law that you're such an expert on how it's misread?
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the three years i spent in law school, although i didn't concentrate in con law. When i say misreading, i mean by the general population. The language of the 2nd amendment links the right to bear arms with a well regulated militia. Most courts already recognize that the right to bear arms is not an individual right, but a collective right (of the states to an armed militia). I believe, however, the supreme court has yet to rule on that. Unfortunately, the NRA is too powerful and congress will never enact any meaningful control legislation to test the provision. Either way, the 2nd amendment only applies to the federal government, and each state can pretty much do what they want with guns.
BTW, im not against ownership of shot guns and rifles used for hunting, after an exhaustive background check on the owner. But concealable handguns are unnecessary and serve no real purpose other than destruction. Sure people are going to say handguns are usefull for target shooting, but is that a hobby we should tolerate when these things are being used at an alarming rate in crimes. Something like 85% of all gun related crimes involve handguns. Target shooting isn't a more important right than life.
Anyway...stories like this break my heart. Whether one or thirty three, there is almost never a reason to kill another human being. I only hope we as people can change. |
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| Scoops |
| Filo & Peri were supposed to play there this weeknd |
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| Sumit_A |
| ....and Sara McLachlan. |
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| Stassi |
| quote: | Originally posted by jerZ07002
BTW, im not against ownership of shot guns and rifles used for hunting, after an exhaustive background check on the owner. But concealable handguns are unnecessary and serve no real purpose other than destruction. Sure people are going to say handguns are usefull for target shooting, but is that a hobby we should tolerate when these things are being used at an alarming rate in crimes. Something like 85% of all gun related crimes involve handguns. Target shooting isn't a more important right than life.
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what about people who walk around with tons of cash because they deal in a, you know, cash business.
If I were walking around with 10k in my pocket on the way to the bank you bet your ass I would want some sort of a concealed weapon. |
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| Miss Bliss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stassi
what about people who walk around with tons of cash because they deal in a, you know, cash business.
If I were walking around with 10k in my pocket on the way to the bank you bet your ass I would want some sort of a concealed weapon. |
So that you could... shoot... and possibly kill... someone... and possibly innocent bystanders... because he was trying to rob you? Do you live in Gothamland? A little bit implausible, puzzling, and completely off-topic anyway... |
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