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Immigrant or Not? (pg. 3)
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| Cro_Addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
It's what I don't get from immigrants. Why do they say living in Canada or the US is a horrible thing when their nation is FAR FAR worse to be raised in or live??? |
Like Vrk said, a little ignorant, but let me tell you...
People dont think living here is a HORRIBLE thing, but its just something they are not used to, as life here is work work, and its much less social..
I can get used to it, and I have, but my parents for example never will... and before you even ask, then WHy did they move here or Why dont they go back?? Well they moved here for my sister and I, so we can have better opportunities...
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
But it really depends on the person and what you consider whats important to you and whats a "better" way of living.
I can only speak for Croatia, since i understand daily life here.
Its WAAAAAAY more laid back and stress free than Canada or the US.
There is NO debating this and in general ppl acknowledge Europe as being more laid back.
Bottom line, and this says it all:
N.America: People live to work
Europe: People work to live
See the difference?
If you cant understand that, then theres no point in going any further. |
Yup, 100% agree. It's something some people don't understand untill they experience it.
Finaly, i dont want anyone to get me wrong. I like living in Canada. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
I can see th difference. But don't you think that's not the case in all of Europe? And besides doesn't Croatia have nice climate? |
Ya i agree, its not ALL of Europe, i should've mentioned its generally true.
Croatia does have an incredible climate, ya, especially on the coast where it never
snows and there're palm trees everywhere :)
But generally, people arent inundated with work in Europe as in N.America.
It IS a fact that the US works more hours than any other country in the world, and Canada is in the top 3-4.
So this'd be the main reason why immigrants may complain.
Most of 'em came without an education, so they have unrewarding jobs. Then all they have time for is work, and it drains them, yet they never seem to get ahead....the whole time they're missing their homeland and families.
My parents were amongst them, so i can fully understand the reasons to not be happy |
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| Cro_Addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
Most of 'em came without an education, so they have unrewarding jobs. Then all they have time for is work, and it drains them, yet they never seem to get ahead....the whole time they're missing their homeland and families.
My parents were amongst them, so i can fully understand the reasons to not be happy |
Yup, and another thing. Even if they did have an education...its still the same..
For example my parents. My dad is an engineer and my mom and accountant. But you think when you move here at 40yrs old and dont know the language that you can jsut go and work within your field?? NOPE!
So now they work other jobs that they hate, so its easy to see why they hate it.
I have soo much respect for them though.
/end thread hijack
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
Croatia does have an incredible climate, ya, especially on the coast where it never
snows and there're palm trees everywhere :)
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If you stay on the coast during the winter...no snow but too damn windy :)
Man I wish I was there now...DAMN YOU VRK!!! lol
Its 25 in Split, I could be at the beach right now:whip: |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cro_Addict
Finaly, i dont want anyone to get me wrong. I like living in Canada. |
Ya, again, i will ALWAYS love Canada and i know i'm SO lucky to be born and raised there.
It really is a land of opportunity, and i LOVE the people.
I always know that, worst case scenario, i can always move back easily and live my life there.
(but that'll never happen hehe) |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cro_Addict
For example my parents. My dad is an engineer and my mom and accountant. But you think when you move here at 40yrs old and dont know the language that you can jsut go and work within your field?? NOPE!
So now they work other jobs that they hate, so its easy to see why they hate it.
I have soo much respect for them though. |
Such a good point...
Respect almost doesnt do them justice...its WAY beyond respect.
New country, no education, dunno the language, didnt really know anybody, to 35 yrs later,
my dads got a $100 000 pension from Chrysler and $2000/month for life.
2 points:
- shows how great Canada is that this story is possible
- the resilience and hard work of my dad
WAAAAY beyond respect:D |
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| MikeyN |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
Nawww...dont say that man.
Being born in Canada is one of the best things that could've happened to us.
I was born in Canada, and just moved to Croatia last June.
But being Canadian born, with my Canadian passport, truly was a blessing.
Think about how much better your life is that you were born in Canada ie EASIER
Did you WANT to be in the war???
I will ALWAYS looooove Canada...but Croatia FTW:gsmile: |
well of course i wish that if i was born there, we wouldnt have the war and all, Hrvatska is a great place to live, but thats if you can get a good job and make a living for yourself, my sister lives in slavonski brod and is dying to come back after she left in 2002 |
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| Cro_Addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by MikeyN
well of course i wish that if i was born there, we wouldnt have the war and all, Hrvatska is a great place to live, but thats if you can get a good job and make a living for yourself, my sister lives in slavonski brod and is dying to come back after she left in 2002 |
Depends on what you do you know.
My uncle works in Zagreb. He is an electrical engineer and works in telecommunications. So he does pretty good. I mean not comparable to here, but its much better than average over there. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
This argument is dumb imo. It's not all Peaches & Creme here OR there. Each country has its own advantages, and each country has its own disadvantages. How "laid back" your life is all depends on how well you are off. You guys make it sound like in Europe you just come, chill, and live like you're on vacation 24/7, while in Canada you work your ass off everyday and are stressed out all the time. This is simply not true. There are many many families even in the richest countries in Europe who are struggling, whose life is not all "laid back", not to mention all the other possible social problems the country may have (which can be seen in their emigration rates). Over in Canada, you can just as easily see people who just graduated college (which is not at all difficult, considering the level of schooling in Europe), got themselves an easy life, and are just coasting through it. You say that's not laid back?
My point is life can be hard regardless of what country you're in. The big difference in Europe and Canada is that in Canada if you start from 0, you can make something out of that in a few years with a lot of hard work. In Europe, the social boundaries are much more defined - it's harder to make yourself well-off if you weren't well off to begin with, and if you were well-off from the beginning, then you've got connections, and life is good.
It's easy to walk through Munich, see people chatting in coffee shops everywhere and assume that life is easy in Germany. Try moving there from Canada, and you'll quickly find out otherwise.
My parents were well-off in Russia when we moved. Life wasn't particularly hard or easy for us. We moved because of the collapse of the USSR was ruining Russia's economy, and because they were fearful of the impending war with chechnya (particularly cause I was growing up). And after 9 years here, we are just as well off here, relatively speaking (the quality of life is obviously higher in Canada). My parents aren't overworked, they're paid well, and we take vacations every year or so (granted they're a week-long instead of a month-long, but at the same time every member of the household has a car already, even if they can't drive it yet, lol). |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
when their nation is FAR FAR worse to be raised in or live??? |
what?! |
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| Cro_Addict |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
This argument is dumb imo. It's not all Peaches & Creme here OR there. Each country has its own advantages, and each country has its own disadvantages. How "laid back" your life is all depends on how well you are off. You guys make it sound like in Europe you just come, chill, and live like you're on vacation 24/7, while in Canada you work your ass off everyday and are stressed out all the time. This is simply not true. There are many many families even in the richest countries in Europe who are struggling, whose life is not all "laid back", not to mention all the other possible social problems the country may have (which can be seen in their emigration rates). Over in Canada, you can just as easily see people who just graduated college (which is not at all difficult, considering the level of schooling in Europe), got themselves an easy life, and are just coasting through it. You say that's not laid back?
My point is life can be hard regardless of what country you're in. The big difference in Europe and Canada is that in Canada if you start from 0, you can make something out of that in a few years with a lot of hard work. In Europe, the social boundaries are much more defined - it's harder to make yourself well-off if you weren't well off to begin with, and if you were well-off from the beginning, then you've got connections, and life is good.
It's easy to walk through Munich, see people chatting in coffee shops everywhere and assume that life is easy in Germany. Try moving there from Canada, and you'll quickly find out otherwise.
My parents were well-off in Russia when we moved. Life wasn't particularly hard or easy for us. We moved because of the collapse of the USSR was ruining Russia's economy, and because they were fearful of the impending war with chechnya (particularly cause I was growing up). And after 9 years here, we are just as well off here, relatively speaking (the quality of life is obviously higher in Canada). My parents aren't overworked, they're paid well, and we take vacations every year or so (granted they're a week-long instead of a month-long, but at the same time every member of the household has a car already, even if they can't drive it yet, lol). |
Hey I agree 100% with what you are saying.
Its not easy, and yes it depends on what you do and how well of you are, of course. Saying its more laid back, does not mean you are well of by doing so. In general, wheather you are rich or poor the lifestyle is more relaxed.
You don;t have to work 20 years to earn some good vacation time. Having 4 or 6 weeks of vacation is not out of the ordinary. Also, if you change jobs you dont start back at 2 weeks or whatever, you keep your vacation.
Opportunites here are greater, and you can get somewhere even when you start at 0, as you said. For this reason, people here overwork themselves to gain more material goods, since it is possible and within reach. |
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by metalgearsolid
So why did you move to Canada? And you do have a Russian flag...not a Ukrainian. |
i moved here because my parents did. i dont think i had a chioce when i was 14. either way, its much better living here in toronto than where i lived before.
and i have a russian flag because im russian. i am not ukrainian. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
But generally, people arent inundated with work in Europe as in N.America.
It IS a fact that the US works more hours than any other country in the world, and Canada is in the top 3-4.
So this'd be the main reason why immigrants may complain.
Most of 'em came without an education, so they have unrewarding jobs. Then all they have time for is work, and it drains them, yet they never seem to get ahead....the whole time they're missing their homeland and families.
My parents were amongst them, so i can fully understand the reasons to not be happy |
The Airport is NorthWest of Downtown. You can also get on a ship in Halifax. |
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