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Xone 3d and Ableton > everything else? (pg. 2)
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| nousplacidus |
+1 to Ryan for that post.
I think that you can definitely go overboard. Thats something I hadn't considered, and what Spawn said about the performance aspect of having hand manipulated music (the main reason I bought TTs) is spot on.
Anyone else care to weigh in on why they use ableton over CDJs or vice versa? |
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| miamitranceman |
| I completely agree on the performance aspect of the CDJs. The tactile control is second to non. That's why I bought them. I was sick of computer mixing on Virtual DJ. Combine CDJ's with Serato/Torq etc and you arguably get the best of both worlds. |
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| Clovis |
Ryan we pretty much agree on all points. :)
I just find that the only reason CDJs are more attractive are because the interface is so hands on, you can still touch your music in a sense. On ableton you cant do that, and I agree that sitting in front of a screen all night may get boring (although IMO you're doing the same on CDJs).
Like I said, the interface is the question that needs to be solved, and so far, no one has. |
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| hooknife |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
Actually I know it quite well, but thanks for playing.
Can you post a mix you did in ableton that's shows off your skill with it? |
Mixing on Ableton is just much smoother then anyone could every be with just turntables or CD mixers. If you undetstood what Ableton was all about you would not feel the way you do. Quit be an elitist and evolve. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by hooknife
Mixing on Ableton is just much smoother then anyone could every be with just turntables or CD mixers. |
Not always true, once again, it depends on the person behind the tool. |
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| hooknife |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Not always true, once again, it depends on the person behind the tool. |
Agree, of course. |
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| Ryan0751 |
Dude, I OWN ableton... I have USED it to make mixes... yeah it makes you perfect at beatmatching, but mixing is exactly the same as with decks otherwise.
| quote: | Originally posted by hooknife
Mixing on Ableton is just much smoother then anyone could every be with just turntables or CD mixers. If you undetstood what Ableton was all about you would not feel the way you do. Quit be an elitist and evolve. |
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| Alex |
Im not sure if Ableton will ever really take over, or if it is just a phase.
I hope many options remain open to DJs and that they all choose what they are most comfortable mixing with, it boils down to what kind of a DJ you are.
I started out with CDjs, learned the basics, and when a friend of mine introduced me to Ableton, I fell in love and just enjoy spending hours a day nerding it up, finding new tricks and new things I didn't know before, it seriously is a learning thing day in day out for me, but that's just me, I don't think anyone is ever going to be obligated to switch over to Ableton to compete. It's awesome software there's no doubt, the removal of beatmatching is great but it's one of those programs that gives back as much as you put in, if you want to simply use it to mix 2 tracks into eachother, I firmly believe you are wasting your time, I agree that watching a DJ do this ALL night would be boring, and that if the said DJ was doing the same thing with CDJs, he'd be better recieved. Ableton is about trying new things and new tricks, I disagree with that previous post that was downplaying the possibilities of Ableton, there are FAR fewer frontiers with Ableton than on CDJs, IMO, and while YES it is fundamentally a program used for PRODUCTION, the fact that the innovative types have turned it around to make it an "untapped resource" persey, in the DJ world... Is awesome!
TTs kick ass
CDJs kick ass
Ableton kicks ass |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by nousplacidus
I think vanilla mixing with Ableton is boring as crap too, but thats the very point of my post. Because its so damn easy, it lets you do other crazy stuff during your epic 20 minute trance transition.
On the other side of the coin If I see you using a laptop there better be some fireworks.
Also, it seems to me that if you're just mixing using CDJs would be a waste unless you need to put you're hands on something, as Clovis pointed out above. Maybe "waste" is too strong a word for it.
And finally....
If we hung out could you teach me how to be a bad ass? :o |
Nah I don't think so. Bad asses are born not made. |
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| nousplacidus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Nah I don't think so. Bad asses are born not made. |
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| Zild |
| Really gives you a feeling about just how stupid this thread is. Right? |
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| Psiweaver |
This thread was great until someone who will not be named took it all personal and got butt hurt that someone else didn't like to use abelton as much and felt that it wasn't going to take over and be the future. The thing is that none of the three tech's TT's, CDJ's or Abelton computer software has taken over and pushed everything else out. The best is to use a combination that works for you and allows you to create music and an enviroment for those listening to music that is great for having a good time.
It doesn't matter what technology your using as long as your making good music and the crowd is digging it. If you can get a crowd dancing and having a good time isn't that what it is all about. who cares if your doing it on an 8 track if thats what it takes for you to feel comfortable. |
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