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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zharen
as they continue killing each other in the name of Allah.
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The community wasn't Islamic. I'm only pointing out cultural relativity and questioning why the OP would even feel the need to share his moral outrage. These kinds of value statements, whether I agree with them or not, are just extremely frustrating to me. |
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| jonSun |
| quote: | Originally posted by igottaknow
cor vers? |
I guess a kurdish girl in iraq was dating a sunni muslim boy. her family found out & did not approve. She went out with the boy & came home late one night. Her male family members then dragger her out in the street & stoned her to death. ing terrible. |
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| igottaknow |
| quote: | Originally posted by jonSun
I guess a kurdish girl in iraq was dating a sunni muslim boy. her family found out & did not approve. She went out with the boy & came home late one night. Her male family members then dragger her out in the street & stoned her to death. ing terrible. |
bad stuff but it doesn't surprise me, after all we're talking about Iraq. |
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| Lira |
| The sad thing about ethnocentric crimes is that they're almost always seen through the eyes of the same ethnocentrism that caused the problem in the first place :( |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by inconspicuous
The sarcasm failed. It was intended to mock the ridiculousness of the statement. Correct--it's not ok.
...bah. |
We need a sarcasm smiley or something to make it obvious for people |
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| Rostros |
Yeah I Saw this Video last week, I had to skip certain parts because it was so awful. They even pulled her pant's down exposing certain areas of her private bits, she screamed for help there was even a cop there FFS. I hope those responsible die of a horrible death taking life is wrong, no matter what laws she had broke.
For those that wish to watch it , Click here
http://media.filecabi.net/videos12/horrific-stone.wmv
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Based on our Western cultural and moral values, this is horribly wrong. Based on the indigenous cultural and moral values of northern Iraq, it's a way of life. Of course we are going to be outraged, but I think your indignation is hardly fair. And posting the video is only an attempt to incite further indignation. What's the point of that? To hate their culture? To support the War in Iraq? To gather support for your own personal moral outlook or to somehow validate it?
I'm not saying that what happened is right, because I certainly don't believe so. But I am saying that I don't believe you are in the right either for imposing your outrage on us for something that we can't possibly fully grasp. |
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| Scottaculous |
| I watched the video: some powerful . Death by stoning such a slow, painful death, I can't believe people have the heart to do something like that. Those guys with cell phones taking pictures are just as criminal. If I ever get sentenced to death, I hope it's by hanging or beheading. |
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| Perfect_Cheezit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov
Based on our Western cultural and moral values, this is horribly wrong. Based on the indigenous cultural and moral values of northern Iraq, it's a way of life. Of course we are going to be outraged, but I think your indignation is hardly fair. And posting the video is only an attempt to incite further indignation. What's the point of that? To hate their culture? To support the War in Iraq? To gather support for your own personal moral outlook or to somehow validate it?
I'm not saying that what happened is right, because I certainly don't believe so. But I am saying that I don't believe you are in the right either for imposing your outrage on us for something that we can't possibly fully grasp. |
Cultures are not something that are so incredibly ingrained and naturalized that we can't possibly understand them. Cultures aren't insular and they never have been. Statements like yours are ethnocentric in their own way and they don't nearly go far enough to be able to work against preventing injustice and human rights violations like these. |
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| Jarvmeister |
The shame is that this sort of thing happens over there..... it's the norm.
What is not the norm is for the rest of the world to be able to see it.
The internet...... will it make the world a better place, or will it destroy us?
Shocking vid. Poor girl.
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by Perfect_Cheezit
Cultures are not something that are so incredibly ingrained and naturalized that we can't possibly understand them. Cultures aren't insular and they never have been. Statements like yours are ethnocentric in their own way and they don't nearly go far enough to be able to work against preventing injustice and human rights violations like these. |
It was meant as a comment and not a course of action. The fact of the matter is that human rights are (unfortunately) not universal and never have been. Cultural values differ so greatly from locale to locale that it's nearly impossible to create a list of mutually agreeable human rights principles for the world to agree upon. For instance, it's been stated in this thread that it's wrong to take someone's life, but it's also been stated that those who stoned this woman should die horrible deaths. Those two assertions stand in direct opposition to one another. Which is right? The fact of the matter is that there is no answer. It's easy for us in, say, the United States to be indignant that the woman was killed, and yet we commute death sentences to dozens of individuals every year. It's also easy for us to demand just recompense for those who did the deed, but what does that accomplish? If we truly believe that no crime warrants death, how can we advocate such a sentence here? How is right to life in the face of a cultural crime a universal human right when we ourselves don't respect it?
My point here isn't to call us all hypocrites, but rather to point out that life is relative. We express outrage at the taking of her life while calling for the deaths of dozens more. Who are we to make either judgment?
As long as we're pointing out moral deficiencies... why, in the name of everything that makes sense in the world, would anyone want to watch the video? We're appalled by those who took the pictures, but clamor to see them. If you're so sickened by this story, then do something productive and join Amnesty or Oxfam. Engage with the issues and work toward a solution. It is extraordinarily disheartening to see people passively sit back and say "that's horrible, they should all die horrible deaths." Perhaps if we work towards greater cultural reconciliation, the actions of the girl will no longer be viewed as a crime, much less one punishable by death. Instead, we only manage to incite and perpetuate hate, mistrust, and ignorance through value-loaded cultural opinions. |
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