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Since the The SurgeŽ has failed, operation Arm the Insurgency and Baathists has begun (pg. 2)
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
This can only end well. |
Yeah, sort of like how giving the Afgan's guns in the 1980's worked, well it ended well... well it did something at the time. Well alright it ended biting the US on the arse. |
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| Q5echo |
the 5th of the five surge brigades and a Marine Expiditionary Unit is coming up from Kuwait as of the 7th and will be in place in two weeks including a combat aviation brigade (Apache's, Blackhawks and troop carriers).
...so the "surge" has yet to be fully realized and implemented.
EDIT> there can be some real good to come from this. these are the bravest and smartest there is. they are already doing so well.
you can't draw parallels with mid-80's Afghanistan and Iraq today.
the suiciders are the last ones to be stopped. in theory we can't stop them. they know that, everyone knows that. but we can get this country to fight them on their own terms socially and militarily to be more effective.
something is working here. of course we can be cynical and draw all kinds of conclusions as to what might happen, but as far as plan is going...it's going.
if there is a chance in hell then you have to take it. |
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| Krypton |
| I keep hearing from the left, "We can't keep fighting the Iraqi's own conflict." So, we try to make the Iraqi's fight their own battles. But, now you people still complain. At least their fighting their own battles to stabilize their particular region. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I keep hearing from the left, "We can't keep fighting the Iraqi's own conflict." So, we try to make the Iraqi's fight their own battles. But, now you people still complain. At least their fighting their own battles to stabilize their particular region. |
That's just the things though, from day one they've been trying to get Iraq to fight on their own.
Most people just can't understand that it takes time for this to happen. |
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
you can't draw parallels with mid-80's Afghanistan and Iraq today.
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Course I can, it's another alliance of convenience and proverbial 'arms length' accountability by the US.
So, after the nice new friends are done shooting up their local neighbourhood with their nice new US guns, they're just going to hand them back in once they're done and not contribute in any way what so ever to the unsanctioned arms trade. Which by the way, sees all kinds of unsavoury people picking themselves up some pieces of military hardware for the next bit of homicidal activity which suits them and usually isn't in line with US policy.
But I suppose the US citizen shouldn't worry too much about that.
After all, it's a long way away from your own backyard. |
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| George Smiley |
| Pretty much every analyst outside Washington (and some in presumably) predicted cutting the Baathists out of society would lead to the problems we see today... |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
But I suppose the US citizen shouldn't worry too much about that.
After all, it's a long way away from your own backyard. |
Unfortunately, it seems that out of sight out of mind is the reality of American politics. When the bodies of American citizens come home in boxes people withdraw support for the war, subsequently, for the government. If the bodies in the boxes aren't American then no one cares. Compounding this is the fact that politians are concerned with their re-election, not what's in the best interest of the country (or world for that matter). The end result is that decisions are made based on voter suppor for the next round of elections rather then long term implications. It's no wonder the US is destined to lose all they seek to gain in foreign policy... when one side is focused on the next 6 months and the other side is willing to stick it out as long as it takes then the eventual winner is obvious. |
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| DJ Shibby |
wow, what a surprise!
You'd almost think that we wanted Iraq to remain in turmoil....... |
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| EvilTree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Yeah, sort of like how giving the Afgan's guns in the 1980's worked, well it ended well... well it did something at the time. Well alright it ended biting the US on the arse. |
Not really.
It's failing to give a damn about Afghans after Soviets left that created the situation today.
A bit of reoccuring situation in American foreign policy really. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
I keep hearing from the left, "We can't keep fighting the Iraqi's own conflict." So, we try to make the Iraqi's fight their own battles. But, now you people still complain. At least their fighting their own battles to stabilize their particular region. |
No. No, no, no, and no. Are you daft? A policy of arming and enabling the Iraqi army or the Iraqi police would be consistent with a policy of Iraqi's fighting their own battles. Arming the insurgency, which is difficult to control and is prone to attacking US forces is ing retarded. FFS they even stated that they would attack US forces as soon as Al-Qaeda became less of a threat.
Do you actually think this is anything but a tactic of desperation???
Oh yea, so one of the groups we've been arming ... I guess they changed their minds :rolleyes:
What I keep hearing from the "right" is that they are willing to sacrifice American lives and copious amounts of my tax dollars to justify this administration's incompetance. Hey, you guys have been fantastic, pass out a few more freedom medals.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7060602642.html |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
What I keep hearing from the "right" is that they are willing to sacrifice American lives and copious amounts of my tax dollars to justify this administration's incompetance. Hey, you guys have been fantastic, pass out a few more freedom medals.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7060602642.html |
oh i forgot. it's all about the short term margins with you:rolleyes:
i was the typical American. now it's you. congrats |
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| LazFX |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
What I keep hearing from the "right" is that they are willing to sacrifice American lives and copious amounts of my tax dollars to justify this administration's incompetance. Hey, you guys have been fantastic, pass out a few more freedom medals.
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+1
and while we are at it, lets cut the returning vet's medical benifits while we are at it....... grrrrrrrrr |
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