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A Spiritual Nightclub - your opinions would be greatly appreciated ! (pg. 3)
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| smuncky |
| quote: | Originally posted by necrid
u must take into consideration it is the internet. |
damn. i guess i forgot to add a smiley face as well. |
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| Elendil |
People who don't see a spiritual element to EDM or the "rave" or parties in general... sheesh, I feel bad for how much you're missing... must be pretty 1 dimensional to think that night clubs are places to get "drunk and listen to loud music in" lol... Its incredibly spiritual, and there are many more layers present then what you are encountering.
I think that the idea of a "spirit rave" is something me and my brothers have been carrying on for ages now... its not a new concept; there really is no difference between what we do, and what indigenous tribes in the amazon basin, or africa, or siberia, or the plains of america, or anywhere else in the world do.
I think that the idea of a spiritual environment is great; however, It would be incredibly difficult to keep those who aren't after the same thing out... and even then, you're heading into trouble defining what certain peoples spiritual endeavors are... honestly, I think that the best spiritual experiences in a musical environment are already happening at outdoor events, like Gaian Mind, Eclipse, etc... and of course, places like night time cherry beach parties ;) |
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| necrid |
| quote: | Originally posted by smuncky
damn. i guess i forgot to add a smiley face as well. |
Hehe!
You realize it's the INTERWEBZ right? People can interpret a text-based sentence in many ways. Adding a smiley usually helps. Sorry if I can't magically hear your voice and the pronunciation of the sentence you just posted. Just thought I'd let you know, freaking douche-bag, wink wink! |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
I actually read an article about how raving is a very spiritual experience for some people. I'm trying to find it right now...I'm not sure if I have it saved on my computer. |
This is the article I was talking about. Unfortunately since I can't access my school library benefits until September I can't post the entire article.
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The Rave: Spiritual Healing in Modern Western Subcultures
Scott R. Hutson
Anthropological Quarterly, Vol. 73, No. 1 (Jan., 2000), pp. 35-49
This article consists of 15 page(s).
Abstract
At raves, young men and women dance to electronic music from dusk to dawn. Previous scholarship treats the rave as a hypertext of pleasure and disappearance. However, such a postmodern view does not attend to the poignant and meaningful spiritual experiences reported by those who go to raves. This article examines claims about altered states of consciousness at raves and the therapeutic results-"spiritual healing"-such states are said to bring. While physiological processes (exhaustive dancing, auditory driving) may contribute to altered states of consciousness, symbolic processes create appropriate frameworks for spiritual healing. Such therapeuticism can be more fully understood in the context of other modern western spiritual subcultures. Placing raves within the context of these other subcultures foregrounds questions for further research.
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| necrid |
I think it's dangerous to confuse an emotional moment with a spiritual one. Let me ask this: If the music is bad can 'spiritual growth' take place? Hypothetically, I doubt anyone would stay around and 'meditate' or have any positive reflection after leaving a scene that played terrible music. (Of course music is relative but let's leave it at that.) I honestly think that people feed off their emotional highs and lows from different mental and physical states during a rave or any social gathering for that matter. Perhaps someone would like to emphasize on the point I'm trying to make but I will leave you with this example of something I wrote from my own experience. Feel free to comment.
"It seems today that there are ever growing practices of incorporating technology into a religious service. Whether it be music, videos, power point etc. The problem I have with this idea is that when you cross a certain technological line you are no longer servicing a person’s spiritual psyche, instead you are now feeding their emotions and their own humanistic tastes and desires. People confuse their emotional fixation to a presentation, whether it be music or a movie, with a spiritual one. There are claims of being anointed by God through this miming ministry, claims of ‘feeling’ the presence of God. The truth is that people eat this up like its cold watermelon on a hot day (I love watermelon btw). Proof of this is rested in my own experiences with church services etc because I have witnessed illusions of spirituality concerning emotions from people - allow me to explain. Occasionally at the church I attended as a child, they would allow certain members of the church to sing in front of the whole congregation with live music and all. The funny this about this little setup is that some people CAN sing and some people CAN’T. Usually the pastor / music leader tries their best to get the ones that can. Anyways it so happens one of the singers of the month gets up for his song and sings so off tune it would make Jesus cry himself! In my family who attend the church and listening to other people’s comments in the pews I heard no real comments or compliments about the presentation that just took place. Next couple of weeks we have a special singer. She is gorgeous and to the audiences liking, she can actually sing. She receives a standing ovation and following the service I hear so many comments just as before ‘God really touched me through her song’, ‘the spirit of the Lord was here this morning’.
Now as a kid growing up in the church I thought about these things. These are thoughts that have been dwelling inside since I was young, when I started truly observing the place my parents would take my every Sunday. I always thought about that person who couldn’t sing worth . I was so disgusted because I felt that people didn’t understand. He wasn’t singing to us, he was singing to God. He was offering the best that he could give which is exactly what God says he requires from his believers - according to the Bible of course. I began to realize that these people weren’t ‘touched’ by God. They were touched by their own emotional attachments to the song they thought was well performed. It occurred to me that their spirituality is an emulation. If all the right notes are hit and the song can send out that certain vibe a person likes then to them that is God ‘influencing’ their lives." |
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| m2j |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
Lindsey, are you sure there is a market for this type of club? Are any clubbers complaining that they have no place to meditate when they're in a club? It's very risky to try and create a brand new market if there's no need for it. You're trying to bridge the gap between clubbing and spirituality, which are miles apart. Clubs are usually the den of sin, and I'm tempted to say that's how people like them. I think a better idea would be to create some sort of a spiritual building with EDM influences, not a nightclub with spiritual influences. |
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said pretty much exactly what i was thinking. |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by necrid
I think it's dangerous to confuse an emotional moment with a spiritual one. Let me ask this: If the music is bad can 'spiritual growth' take place? Hypothetically, I doubt anyone would stay around and 'meditate' or have any positive reflection after leaving a scene that played terrible music. (Of course music is relative but let's leave it at that.) I honestly think that people feed off their emotional highs and lows from different mental and physical states during a rave or any social gathering for that matter. Perhaps someone would like to emphasize on the point I'm trying to make but I will leave you with this example of something I wrote from my own experience. Feel free to comment.
"It seems today that there are ever growing practices of incorporating technology into a religious service. Whether it be music, videos, power point etc. The problem I have with this idea is that when you cross a certain technological line you are no longer servicing a person’s spiritual psyche, instead you are now feeding their emotions and their own humanistic tastes and desires. People confuse their emotional fixation to a presentation, whether it be music or a movie, with a spiritual one. There are claims of being anointed by God through this miming ministry, claims of ‘feeling’ the presence of God. The truth is that people eat this up like its cold watermelon on a hot day (I love watermelon btw). Proof of this is rested in my own experiences with church services etc because I have witnessed illusions of spirituality concerning emotions from people - allow me to explain. Occasionally at the church I attended as a child, they would allow certain members of the church to sing in front of the whole congregation with live music and all. The funny this about this little setup is that some people CAN sing and some people CAN’T. Usually the pastor / music leader tries their best to get the ones that can. Anyways it so happens one of the singers of the month gets up for his song and sings so off tune it would make Jesus cry himself! In my family who attend the church and listening to other people’s comments in the pews I heard no real comments or compliments about the presentation that just took place. Next couple of weeks we have a special singer. She is gorgeous and to the audiences liking, she can actually sing. She receives a standing ovation and following the service I hear so many comments just as before ‘God really touched me through her song’, ‘the spirit of the Lord was here this morning’.
Now as a kid growing up in the church I thought about these things. These are thoughts that have been dwelling inside since I was young, when I started truly observing the place my parents would take my every Sunday. I always thought about that person who couldn’t sing worth . I was so disgusted because I felt that people didn’t understand. He wasn’t singing to us, he was singing to God. He was offering the best that he could give which is exactly what God says he requires from his believers - according to the Bible of course. I began to realize that these people weren’t ‘touched’ by God. They were touched by their own emotional attachments to the song they thought was well performed. It occurred to me that their spirituality is an emulation. If all the right notes are hit and the song can send out that certain vibe a person likes then to them that is God ‘influencing’ their lives." |
Word... what you are referring to is somewhat the "luciferic" spiritual side of spiritual contact - and no, I am not referring to luciferic as in satanic... basically, in psycho-babble terms, the danger is that the ego is deriding pleasure from an experience, and passing it off as an experience with the unconcious... easily confused, because both offer similar feelings...
I really dig what you had to say there mate. Cheers; BTW: Alex Grey is a genius... his gallery is incredible. |
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| PartEgurl |
| Keep in mind this is a conceptual project, and I am trying to explore innovative options for a nightclub environment. I never said it would work, it may not, but its an educational experiement. |
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| PartEgurl |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
People who don't see a spiritual element to EDM or the "rave" or parties in general... sheesh, I feel bad for how much you're missing... must be pretty 1 dimensional to think that night clubs are places to get "drunk and listen to loud music in" lol... Its incredibly spiritual, and there are many more layers present then what you are encountering.
I think that the idea of a "spirit rave" is something me and my brothers have been carrying on for ages now... its not a new concept; there really is no difference between what we do, and what indigenous tribes in the amazon basin, or africa, or siberia, or the plains of america, or anywhere else in the world do.
I think that the idea of a spiritual environment is great; however, It would be incredibly difficult to keep those who aren't after the same thing out... and even then, you're heading into trouble defining what certain peoples spiritual endeavors are... honestly, I think that the best spiritual experiences in a musical environment are already happening at outdoor events, like Gaian Mind, Eclipse, etc... and of course, places like night time cherry beach parties ;) |
Exactly along the lines of what I invision. For some, this idea has been controversial, but I am trying to figure out, how through design I can create a space that promotes spiritual moments. I think I am going to plan the space as if its a journey, moving from low energy spaces, working your way up to high energy spaces, and back down to low energy spaces, with connections with nature. |
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| PartEgurl |
| quote: | Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
This is the article I was talking about. Unfortunately since I can't access my school library benefits until September I can't post the entire article. |
Thanks Lisa ! I will add that to my bibliography, looks like a great article for my research ! |
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| *~LiSa-LoO~* |
| quote: | Originally posted by PartEgurl
Thanks Lisa ! I will add that to my bibliography, looks like a great article for my research ! |
No problem.
Do you guys have access to databases like Scholar's Portal from your school library? B/c that's where I originally found the article. If you have those types of databases it will probably have the full thing rather than just the abstract. I got the full text from Scholar's Portal from school. |
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