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Are Grooves Layered? (pg. 2)
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
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wot wot??? |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
wot wot??? |
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| djms |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
that was me lulz D:
Most techno loops are based around a half bar loop. SO...
1. Make a midi event half a bar long going to your drum sampler. Have that half bar looping. Put two kicks in and one snare (in other words, half a four to the floor beat).
2. Now put a few key percussion hits in. Don't use 100% real sounding drum samples. You need to use half bongos half "percussive fx" type sounds that arent really a drums but arent really shakers but arent really high hats but arent really.... you know what i mean.
3. Put in your main high hat and a hat loop (make the hat loop yourself - make sure it mashes into your percussions good).
4. From here, you have your main elements already, so you start piling in loops to fill up the background. You'll find you can just about do anything, just go through your loops one by one, if it sounds good keep it. Then add another one. Repeat until its full.
Now you have your base loop. Double that up so its one full bar and change a few elements in the second repeat. Nothing major (dont touch the "core" rythym).
Now, theres a lot of going on, so you need to make sure you EQ basically ALL your drum sounds/loops individually to get them cutting through how you want. If you skip good EQing, your percussion loop will just turn into noise and sound empty. Normally in trance you'd cut alot of your percussions at like 200hz or so. In techno you usually let them extend right down to like 100-150 depending on the type of bassline you want to use. Often techno just uses a sine sub bass, so anything above the normal 150hz sub bass area must be filled up with percussion.
From here, I put the whole lot (except maybe kick + snare) through a compressor or camelphat etc.
Its important to note though, groove is way more important in techno than it is in trance. In a lot of trance just about any percussion loop will sit ok with any bassline. In techno, the bassline is practically part of the percussion - it all needs to sit together EXTERMELY well. So, more often than not you'll find you have to get a good bassline sorted before you even start doing percussion.
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this is a great way to do it
well done man |
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| catalystG5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
K i just wasted 15 mins of my life for you asses, you better appreciate this.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lni39h
What I did, is showed the seperate stages.
1. Kick + snare (duh!)
2. Kick + snare + "core" percussions
3. Kick + snare + core + high hats
4. Kick + snare + core + high hats + 3 background loops
Get it? Everything is half a bar looped. Normally you would have variations every 2nd and 4th bar etc. but I cbf...
BTW. 15 minutes = crap panning, crap compressing (i just used a master limiter LOL) crap everything basically and ZERO eq. So, like, hopefully yours will sound better. Seeing as techno is basically 90% percs, you would spend like a day or whatever just perfecting that one loop. You'd also usually have more than what I put in there. More low frequency sounds too.
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Ok so let me see if i got this straight. Would the kick + snare for pattern one be the same samples used on pattern 2,3 and 4.
oh and by the way... i really liked that loop you used with the bongos, it was the one at around 30 sec into it. where did you get it from? |
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| echosystm |
The samples I used were from:
Computer Music magazine cover dvds
Vengeance Essential House/Clubsounds (i forget which one i used, probably both)
Random samples off the net
This was just an example though, you definately do not want to whore the Vengeance samples - they're way too noticeable. |
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| catalystG5 |
| i got myself a few cm and futuremusic, and sample cd's... but just wondering is that right... 1 kick sare is used on all the patterns??? |
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| catalystG5 |
| hey echosystm is that true???? the kick + snare on pattern 1 is the same sample used on 2,3 &4????? |
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| echosystm |
yes... like i said...
1. Kick + snare
2. Kick + snare + "core" percussions
3. Kick + snare + core + high hats
4. Kick + snare + core + high hats + 3 background loops
At each of the 4 stages things have been ADDED ON. Nothing has been taken out or changed in the previous stages. |
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| catalystG5 |
| but wont the kick + snare be very loud by the time you finish the fourth pattern |
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| echosystm |
You make a kick and snare loop, then you add percs to that loop, then you add high hats to that loop, then you add background loops to that loop. Why the hell would I put the same kick and snare loop over itself 4 times?!
When I said "1. Kick + snare, 2. Kick + snare + core percussions" I was clearly explaining what you hear in that mp3... There are 4 different stages in the mp3... "What I did, is showed the seperate stages". |
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| Sanguis Mortuum |
| quote: | Originally posted by catalystG5
but wont the kick + snare be very loud by the time you finish the fourth pattern |
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