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"Can I see some ID?"
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| HardTranceProd |
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Everyone shows ID for beer in Tenn.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Comer Wilson hasn't had to show his ID to buy beer in a while. Maybe it's the 66-year-old man's long white beard. Starting Sunday, gray hair won't be good enough. Wilson and everyone else will be required to show identification before buying beer in Tennessee stores — no matter how old the buyer appears.
"It's the stupidest law I ever heard of," Wilson said. "You can see I'm over 21."
Tennessee is the first state to make universal carding mandatory, says the National Alcohol Beverage Control Association. However, the law does not apply to beer sales in bars and restaurants, and it does not cover wine and liquor.
Supporters say it keeps grocery store and convenience store clerks from having to guess a customer's age. Democratic Gov. Phil Bredesen said it's a good way to address the problems of underage drinking.
And the 63-year-old governor said he personally won't mind the extra effort to buy beer.
"I'll be very pleased when I'm carded, and in my mind I'll just imagine it's because I look so young," he said.
Rich Foge, executive director of the Tennessee Malt Beverage Association, said he expects there might be some initial resistance from the beer-buying public.
"But once people live with it for a month or two, it's going to go fine," he said. "It gets routine after a while."
Jarron Springer, president of the Tennessee Grocers and Convenience Store Association, said he understands the law "may seem a little odd" to people who are obviously older than 21, but he said it's necessary to make sure no one slips through the cracks.
"If we're going to hold clerks accountable for their actions, then there's no room for discretion," Springer said. "It's either all or nothing."
The blanket requirement makes it easier for stores to comply, said Steve Schmidt, spokesman for the National Alcohol Beverage Control Association
"There's no need to judge whether someone looks 21, 25 or 30," he said. "It's a set, consistent standard across the entire state."
Richard Rollins, who owns a convenience store in Nashville, is already using a computerized scanner to check everyone's driver's licenses when they buy beer. "We just say we're trying to keep our beer permit, and this is the safest way," Rollins said.
But it has stopped Jeff Campbell from shopping at Rollins' market.
"I don't mind them asking for my ID, but they don't need my driver's license number," said Campbell, 43. "I'm just buying a six-pack. All they need to know is how old I am."
Rollins said scanning licenses has proved beneficial in other ways, such as catching criminals.
When one customer tried to make a purchase using a counterfeit bill, Rollins said police were able to track him down because the receipt from the scanner showed his name and license number — and his address.
The new law, which expires after a year unless the Legislature decides to renew it, also creates a voluntary training program for vendors and their employees. Participating businesses would face lower fines if found guilty of selling beer to a minor, and their beer permits cannot be revoked on a first offense.
However, they face fines of up to $1,000 for each underage sale and they lose their status if they commit two violations in a 12-month period. Another violation could mean suspension or revocation of a license, and fine of up to $2,500.
Noncertified vendors can face those penalties on a first offense.
Marylee Booth, executive director of the Tennessee Oil Marketers Association, which represents gas stations and convenience stores, said the intention is not to hurt vendors, but to help them protect minors.
"We're doing everything we can to keep minors from buying beer," Booth said. "This is just one more tool we want to try."
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070701...ndatory_carding |
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| RJT |
| Yup, totally ridiculous. Then again, it's Tennessee, and they're not too far from Texas in my eyes anyway. |
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| Omega_M |
| I doubt whether even the gas station clerks will follow it. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Yup, totally ridiculous. Then again, it's Tennessee, and they're not too far from Texas in my eyes anyway. |
it's those damn "T" states! :mad: |
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| tubularbills |
| Iowa is the same way. and you have to show a driver's license as ID (they don't take mil IDs, credit cards, or state IDs). |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
Iowa is the same way. and you have to show a driver's license as ID (they don't take mil IDs, credit cards, or state IDs). |
wait they dont take even their own state IDs? thats ing rediculous! how absurd! |
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| XaNaX |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
wait they dont take even their own state IDs? thats ing rediculous! how absurd! |
+1 what ing sense does that make? So if you are disabled and cannot drive you can't get alcohol? |
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| Omega_M |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
Iowa is the same way. and you have to show a driver's license as ID (they don't take mil IDs, credit cards, or state IDs). |
I call bull. If they are doing it, then sue them.
| quote: | IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION
Verifying an Individual’s Age
Licensees (their employees and agents) are responsible for determining whether or not an individual is old enough to lawfully consume alcoholic beverages. When licensees have doubts about a person's age, the licensee should ask for identification before selling or serving the alcoholic beverage. If after checking the ID, the licensee still has doubts, the sale should be refused.
Iowa law does not govern acceptable forms of identification. However, the Alcoholic Beverages Division recommends that licensees request identification - valid forms of which include a person's photo and date of birth, such as those found on a driver's license or state-issued ID card. |
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| Clovis |
| lol, my dad used to yell at supermarket clerks or 7-11 employees when they'd card him after his 60th birthday. He had gone through chemo and had barely any hair and just looked well old. :stongue: |
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| nchs09 |
| i liked living in latin america when noone gave a how old you were, as long as you had money to pay for things :D |
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| washout |
post 9/11 i was at atlanta-hartsfield international.
i was at a terminal bar drinking during a layover.
this old dude came up and ordered some .
the bartender kept asking for his id and the old man was astounded that he kept asking.
anyway, security was called and everything.
apparently so close to 9/11, they were taking every opportunity to check ID's.
just in case a towel-head terrorist wanted a quick pick-me-up before his suicide mission.
get it ... a quick "pick-me-up" ??
hahahahaha. |
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| Project-K |
| It's a very good thing. It really sucks when you either have to insult someone or risk getting fired with a crazy fine you can't afford. This way, you can just say it's the rule and you card everybody no matter what. It might seem obvious if you've never worked this sort of job, but when you're in the middle of a night shift, been working 16 hours straight and barely got any sleep, it's very easy to make a mistake, and just one mistake can cost you A LOT. I wish they had this rule back when I worked as a clerk. Either that or just make the stores accountable - not the employee. But how hard is it really to pull a card out of your wallet? You're gonna take your wallet out to pay anyways. |
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