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A&H Xone 92 & Pioneer EFX 500 (pg. 2)
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| Neo Hacker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spoonz
power cut? hehe |
lol no I was talking about the EFX and Xone together :p Power failures is obviously enough for a sound cut hehe |
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| ZeJayMan |
| quote: | Originally posted by wee_rooney
can you select a channel to send to the efx this way or will it only apply it to the master?? |
been a while since i've seen you posting. You were right about the DJX 700 by the way, ing gash. |
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| Ryan0751 |
It doesn't lack send and returns... that's exactly what they are... 2 sends, 2 returns (the aux channels).
It's just that they are setup like a studio mixer. You have controls above each channel to adjust how much sound for each channel goes out the send channels. Then you have channels faders on the left of the mixer to adjust how much of the wet signal comes back into the mixer. The problem is that if you don't turn down the dry channel, you'll have both the wet and dry playing at once which ends up being too much.
Most people are just used to the style that pioneer introduced (or at least made popular with the DJM-500/600): A single send and return pair. There is a simple knob to select which channel "goes out" the send, and then a "wet/dry" knob to adjust how "effected" (wet) that channels signal is. The switch is done seemlessly.
The Xone's is more flexible, the Pioneers (and a lot of other mixers) is easier to use.
By routing the wet signal back to a real mixer channel instead of the aux returns, and assigning the wet and dry to the crossfader, you are essentially emulating the Pioneers setup.
I would assume you would get silence if you forget to switch the crossfader assigns off after you were done :)
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
This is, in my opinion, the only functional way to setup a Xone and an EFX. It lacks sends/returns and, as Dan said, sounds incredibly complicated, but most of the Xone is already complicated and it's just another thing that is very easy to use once you get the hang of it. |
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| keithos27 |
FYI, this is what one of the Xone guys wrote:
The best way to link the EFX and the 92 is using the AUXes and the stereo returns. Connect Aux1 out of the 92 to the line in of the EFX using two TRS 6.25mm jack leads. Connect the output of the EFX to the L and R Return 1 inputs of the Mic/Return channel 1. Now, as you turn up the Aux 1 pots on the channels of the 92, audio is sent to the EFX, processed and returned to the return 1 channel (make sure it is set to RTN and not MIC!).
The best way to use this method is to lower the channel fader when you raise the return channel fader. This prevents strange audio phase issues which happen when you have two copies of the signal out of phase by a partial waveform.
You can send any of the channels audio to the EFX using the AUX 1 pot on the specific channel. Use AUX 2 if AUX 1 is already being used. The Pre buttons on the channels, just below the AUX pots set the signal send to the EFX as pre-fader, so the channel fader doesn’t control the level of audio that the EFX gets at its input. |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by keithos27
FYI, this is what one of the Xone guys wrote:
The best way to link the EFX and the 92 is using the AUXes and the stereo returns. Connect Aux1 out of the 92 to the line in of the EFX using two TRS 6.25mm jack leads. Connect the output of the EFX to the L and R Return 1 inputs of the Mic/Return channel 1. Now, as you turn up the Aux 1 pots on the channels of the 92, audio is sent to the EFX, processed and returned to the return 1 channel (make sure it is set to RTN and not MIC!).
The best way to use this method is to lower the channel fader when you raise the return channel fader. This prevents strange audio phase issues which happen when you have two copies of the signal out of phase by a partial waveform.
You can send any of the channels audio to the EFX using the AUX 1 pot on the specific channel. Use AUX 2 if AUX 1 is already being used. The Pre buttons on the channels, just below the AUX pots set the signal send to the EFX as pre-fader, so the channel fader doesn’t control the level of audio that the EFX gets at its input. |
I haven't tried this method yet myself but this is because I was told that it is hard to lower one fader while raising another without a drop in sound somewhere in the middle.
Whereas if you set it up the way I mentioned earlier, and then adjust the xfader curve to max, you will get a smooth fade from playing track to EFX. |
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| DJChrisB |
| quote: | Originally posted by agentdansmith
I haven't tried this method yet myself but this is because I was told that it is hard to lower one fader while raising another without a drop in sound somewhere in the middle.
Whereas if you set it up the way I mentioned earlier, and then adjust the xfader curve to max, you will get a smooth fade from playing track to EFX. |
Yeah, the method you recommended seems like it would give MUCH better results. Especially since you can tweak the xfader on the Xone and make it keep the mix perfectly level while using the xfader as a wet/dry control. |
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| DJ RANN |
I can't believe they have not put insert sends on the Xone mixers, and that you have to use an aux send and bus it to an Aux channel.
Seems a really clumsy way of integrating external FX. |
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| agentdansmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I can't believe they have not put insert sends on the Xone mixers, and that you have to use an aux send and bus it to an Aux channel.
Seems a really clumsy way of integrating external FX. |
They have put sends on there (they're just called AUX instead). Read Ryan's post above and it explains why. |
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| keithos27 |
| quote: | Originally posted by agentdansmith
I haven't tried this method yet myself but this is because I was told that it is hard to lower one fader while raising another without a drop in sound somewhere in the middle.
Whereas if you set it up the way I mentioned earlier, and then adjust the xfader curve to max, you will get a smooth fade from playing track to EFX. |
Yeah I'll take your word for it as I have not set this up yet and have no idea really what the pros/cons are... I'm too new to this stuff to really understand it yet.
Hopefully will have time tonight to set this puppy up and will let you know how it turns out. Thanks again for the help yesterday. |
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| Ryan0751 |
Agreed. Especially since the 92 improved on almost all of the faults people had with the 62. Maybe in the next model :)
Though a lot of other club mixers have the same problem. The popular Rane 2016 has one effect insert at the master out. You can select "on" or "off", and then have to do everything on the effects unit (wet/dry). That's even more limited.
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
I can't believe they have not put insert sends on the Xone mixers, and that you have to use an aux send and bus it to an Aux channel.
Seems a really clumsy way of integrating external FX. |
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| agentdansmith |
Having said all this, when I first got my EFX500 I was also very eager to get it setup to my Xone92 (which I had only bought a couple of days earlier).
But since I have been become much more confident using the xones filters, I don't even turn the EFX unit on anymore. In my opinion, you can have much more fun and be more creative with a set of good filters than you can with a bunch of effects that all sound a little OTT in my opinion.
So my advice is, if you've only just got ya xone, spend some time getting to know that well before adding anything else to it ;) |
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| keithos27 |
| quote: | Originally posted by agentdansmith
Having said all this, when I first got my EFX500 I was also very eager to get it setup to my Xone92 (which I had only bought a couple of days earlier).
But since I have been become much more confident using the xones filters, I don't even turn the EFX unit on anymore. In my opinion, you can have much more fun and be more creative with a set of good filters than you can with a bunch of effects that all sound a little OTT in my opinion.
So my advice is, if you've only just got ya xone, spend some time getting to know that well before adding anything else to it ;) |
yeah in the long run that is def. the better advice. at this point i dont really know how to use any of my equipment (or dj)... i bought it a while back, got a new job, started my mba, and next thing i knew i hadn't touched the decks in over a year.
now i'm still just as busy, but i still want to commit some time to learning how to dj. as cheesey as this will sound, my first goal (with respects to effects) is to learn how to do that "airplane" noise... i want to recreate the moment during oakey's essential mix where he played out jon vesta - gull and did that airplane noise... i just want to recreate that in my apartment... i'm not going to start going airplane noise happy, haha... just wanted to hear it. |
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