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Are there any record shops in T.O anymore that carry Techno/Minimal (pg. 3)
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by El Kay Dee
oh yea lets address that...dust clicks on vinyl vs. no dust clicks on digital....
tough one... |
You have got to be f*cking kidding me. If this is how you feel, stop spinning, sell your gear to the first person with twenty bucks in their pocket and throw yourself under a bus.
This works as an opinion, but technically you're out to lunch.
Clean your vinyl. Clean your stylus.
Vinyl is so much better than mp3s. Please research why on your own. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
You have got to be f*cking kidding me. If this is how you feel, stop spinning, sell your gear to the first person with twenty bucks in their pocket and throw yourself under a bus.
This works as an opinion, but technically you're out to lunch.
Clean your vinyl. Clean your stylus.
Vinyl is so much better than mp3s. Please research why on your own. |
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well pricepoint and availability are definitely a plus
we have gone over the quality issue on this board before way too many times and from what I remember, it was noted taht people have tested 320 kbps mp3 vs vinyl on club systems and found no difference.
ok screw mp3s.. do u think vinyl is superior to WAVs??
(im dying to know ur thought on that) |
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| Stilez |
1st) If Play de doesn't have it, chances are you won't find it anywhere else in the city.
| quote: | Originally posted by basilisk
As much as I might be inclined to wax nostalgic about the days of
physical record stores, they really didn't serve my needs very well. How was a physical record store supposed to be superior? Selection, affordability, and knowledge--by some accounts. But I could always find what I was looking for online, and not here in Toronto... and the records in shops were always more expensive. Not only that, but does anyone remember walking into The Pit and asking Paul for a stack of stuff to sift through? He was always sizing people up and trying to foist off utter crap on his customers (as far as I remember anyhow). I really enjoyed browsing at Metropolis many years ago, but sometime around 2001 the owner became reluctant to stock new releases until the older ones had sold. I never found anything worth purchasing at 2theBeat, and there was some measure of awkwardness about asking them anything (a good way to lose a customer is to grimace when they ask about something, as if to say "cripes, I don't know why you'd want anything like that.") Most of the places I went to back in the day (Fresh, Traxx, etc.) left their records lying around in bins for grubby suburban kids to mark up... nothing beats spending $18 on a piece of wax coated in the finger grease and dead skin of countless strangers. No, as much as I would like to remember the days of bin-sifting with a forlorn fondness, I think most of the physical record shops have closed for deserving reasons. Was it that they weren't able to compete, or were they simply unwilling to compete? I can think of all sorts of ways that the real-world shops in T.O. could have maintained my business (which grew to well over $5,000 in the early years of building my collection) but then again, I am an atypical customer with unusual or non-standard tastes and preferences. I was ordering online because no one was even stocking the music I wanted to buy... and so it goes; buying habits evolve as technology opens new doors. The image of the knowledgeable record store clerk as your window to a wide world of music fades into memory, drowned out by the staccato rhythm of mouse clicks and keystrokes. |
Now. I've never had a problem with Paul, he was actually quite helpful if you were a regular customer and he got to know you. Traxx by Yonge & College Park was cool too but the vinyls were dirty, never had an issue getting behind their decks to listen to a track on the loud speakers. Same goes for 2 the Beat, Eastern Bloc, Fresh, Electric Orange, Release, Play de, or even Funky Buddah up in Markham. It was upsetting knowing there were tracks out there that never made in to T.O. on vinyl, and I did my fair share of ordering online. I found all the staff at all record shops to not only be knowledgeable about a specific genre, but once they got to know you, they'd easily scoop up a pile of records for you according to your style and even some stuff that wasn't ...to try and 'open' you up to other stuff. |
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| basilisk |
| Can I just fast forward this discussion a bit and suggest that vinyl works well for genres like jungle, deep house, and other styles that rely more on bass and a muddy aesthetic than clean/synthetic genres like trance? The DJ field has opened up--it's choose your own interface time. Playing vinyl carries a certain mystique that is different from modern digital DJing technology. I think that a DJ doing wild things with wax is pretty cool in a retro way just as I find cutting edge custom midi controllers pretty cool in a futuristic way. Both approaches can co-exist peacefully because they address different audiences situated in different contexts. Since I'm more of a futurist, I am right in the thick of the digital DJing revolution, but lets not forget that vinyl has its time and place for certain styles. Cool? OK, let's get on with it. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by LKD
ok screw mp3s.. do u think vinyl is superior to WAVs??
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*waits patiently* |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by El Kay Dee
*waits patiently* |
I think vinyl is sonically better than any consumer digital format. For that matter, tape is sonically better than consumer digital formats. The issue here is the dynamic range and warmth afforded by analogue signals. Through the magic of computers, all information is sampled and compressed to create mp3/AIFF/WAVs- distorting the original signal. The difference is hard to spot if you've never had it pointed out to you or compared A/B, but it is there. This is why I laugh at people on the subway listening to an iPod with Bose QC headphones - you can't polish a turd.
From a practical standpoint, mp3s might be a better format to mix from as a DJ (to avoid those pesky dust clicks, storage, transport) and fair enough, not being a DJ I wouldn't know, but sonically vinyl is better. Besides, switching to mp3s or .WAVs just opens you up to digital clicks and aliasing. |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| A WAV is a digital, uncompressed, lossless representation of the analog audio signal. I'm willing to throw like $20 to see if you can tell a WAV file ripped from vinyl from the vinyl itself. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
A WAV is a digital, uncompressed, lossless representation of the analog audio signal. I'm willing to throw like $20 to see if you can tell a WAV file ripped from vinyl from the vinyl itself. |
WAV files are usually sampled at 48KHz/16-bit resolution. Yes, I would likely be able to hear the difference, but I'm not a DJ, I'm an audio engineer and as such am not half deaf.:p It would also depend on what kind of music we're listening to. Given, high defenition recording is more suited to instrumental work and most EDM doesn't need to be so detailed. Most people can't hear the digital nuances of 16-bit/44.1KHz recording, which is why this format was chosen for CDs. I don't hear it most of the time either because the systems we listen to music on aren't high enough quality. I assure you that I have heard it in studios.
This is why professional studios who track to a multitrack hard disc system do so at 24-bit resolution sampled as high as 192KHz - or even higher.
You want to pay now, or pay later?
Like I said, I'm not attacking a personal choice to use digital files for DJing here, I'm just saying that there is more to what you hear than what you hear. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Like I said, I'm not attacking a personal choice to use digital files for DJing here, I'm just saying that there is more to what you hear than what you hear. |
and considering that the first rendition of an electronic track is WAV, there is no difference (or shouldnt be any difference) between a cd and vinyl. on beatport you can download WAVs instead of mp3s
now if we were to compare jazz on vinyl vs an mp3/CD/WAV, there is a noticable difference (as you mentioned)..ive compared the exact same album on vinyl and cd and by george was it horrible on cd..
back to clubs, NO ONE can say that vinyl sounds better than CDs/Digital format so i dont get why the traditionalists keep arguing and pay so much more for vinyl based on "sound quality" |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by El Kay Dee
now if we were to compare jazz on vinyl vs an mp3/CD/WAV, there is a noticable difference (as you mentioned)..ive compared the exact same album on vinyl and cd and by george was it horrible on cd.. |
This is what I mean. It's all about the program.
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back to clubs, NO ONE can say that vinyl sounds better than CDs/Digital format so i dont get why the traditionalists keep arguing and pay so much more for vinyl based on "sound quality" |
Again, technically and sonically vinyl is better but it's all about the program. House music just doesn't produce the dynamic range required to effectively notice a difference. This is where the dust clicks and skipping come into focus. Most likely, somewhere someone has told them that vinyl is superior and explained it as I have, but either the part about the program deciding the format to use didn't get a mention or didn't stick in mind. They are arguing the point because it's what someone told them when they were coming up and that's what they have shaped the arguemnt to be in thier mind...and we all know how hard it is to argue with a zealot.
If I were to DJ, I would use WAVs without hesitation.
That siad, there is a difference. |
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| El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
That siad, there is a difference. |
ok as an audio engineer u obviously know that (as previously mentioned) any electronic track is saved as a wav when made and then converted to whatever other formats... so the purest form of an elctronic track WOULD be the WAV |
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| terrytutone |
| quote: | Originally posted by basilisk
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this guy prety much got it on the money. throw in the fact that most of the shop workers hid all the good records for their friends and its no surprise that people were unsatisified with the shops in this city and that they closed as a result.
i used to spend all day going to every shop in the city, and i would sometimes go home happy. but now that there is only one left, i wont even bother going record shopping at all. its not worth it going to play de alone because their stock is pretty laughable these days. im not even sure that they still receive new records anymore.
all my vinyl purchases will be made online now |
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