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Ableton - pitch bend and beatmatching (pg. 3)
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| Fl@k Monkey |
Alrite, This is getting stupid and im finally going to bite..
If theres anything anyone here can all agree on. It's that no one here can give you a 15 minute run-down on how to become a professional DJ.
Personally i am beginning to wonder how new you are, How much you even know about mixing, And if the reason why you want to be a DJ is even a worthy enough one to help you. It's not all bells and whistles..
yes the main objective of a DJ is to put on a good time but in order to do that it takes years of practice/reading/practice/reading and oh yeah.. more practice. Not to mention money to buy gear and such.
If you can't figure out Ableton, Use Tracktor - I started off with VIrtual DJ. It's VERY simple and teaches you about phasing and beatmatching basics etc. Don't go being a puss and using programs that will automatically lock the beats.. Learn about beatmatching the hard way so you can always be prepared for the worse case scenarios.
As for Ableton - Yes there are plenty of ways to warp and if you absolutely must use Ableton and you can't just try some other simpler programs to learn on first.. Go and read/watch the content im trying to help you with..
Yes i know you dont have great english, And you've been trying, and blah blah blah..
Welcome to the life of a DJ. Hard ing work and lots of practice and reading.. The reward makes it all worth while though.
Chances are you're NOT going to learn how to beatmatch today. Thats ok.. Keep reading/watching/practicing. This dosen't happen overnight. |
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| fzank |
Thanks for your help but beleive I'm not a new dj,I'm mixing in one of the most famous club in belgium but a old school mixing and I just want to try another way to mix... yes I know the digital mixing is new for me and I try everytime i have to do it but ableton is not so easy but it is the most professional software I see till now!
Thanks a lot and sorry to spend so much of your time... thanks thanks |
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| Fl@k Monkey |
| quote: | Originally posted by fzank
The bpm are perfect but there is a delay between the 2 bass!!!
I put a track delay -80ms on the first and now is ok.
But I would like to do not that in live. I want that I drag my MP3 on the channel I want and I can start it directely... |
Ok, well im going to go ahead and presume by 'bass' you mean 'bassdrum' which is pretty much the exact same thing as a kickdrum. But since your a pro DJ and everything you should know that by now.. right?
Therefore the 2 tracks you tried to warp ARE out of sync like i already said 2? times now. Which means only one thing - Because ableton beatmatches automatically its not that. There out of sync because you didn't warp them properly.. If at all.
You're absolutely right - Ableton is the top professional DJ program on the market today. And yes.. It is complex.. So why are you still posting when we've all already told you to read the manual, google around, and even gone ahead and given you some tutorials on a silver platter.
1)Set a master tempo of something like 125 (Depending on what style your mixing) - Do this in the top left hand side where it says 120 by default.
Alaylse the audio file (Find a song and drag it into the main box, Click it to see the songs waveform)
press the 'WARP' button (It should already be on)
Move the yellow marker (warp marker) to the first beat/kickdrum/bass drum (Make sure to zoom in and get it spot on)
Go to the end of the track, And mark up the last beat
Press the 'Meteronome' (sp?) button, The one in the top left of this picture with the two circle things and one is black the other is clear
Press play.. Listen.. Warp if it sounds off-beat
But most importantly.. Be prepared for it to not work and for you to have to.. *GASP* practice!!! :whip:
I cannot believe i am still replying to this thread |
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| fzank |
| You are too nice...I don't ask you to reply to my last post and I understand that you are upset... fortunately you are pretty nice... thanks for all i will try your last method directely.... |
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| Fl@k Monkey |
| P.S - Your project will not look like the one in the photo.. Ignore that.. I was only using the screenshot to show you where meteronome button is. The screenshot is for music producing not DJing. |
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| fzank |
| Yes yes I understand.... i just make one like you told me and it is really better.... just the time to localise the good downbeat... the djing is moving so quikly now... again thanks |
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| Zild |
Here is the process I use that works every time for me.
1. Select and analyze the track.
2. Hit the warp button.
3. Zoom in and line up the yellow/green warp marker with 1st beat.
4. Zoom in at the end of the track and make sure those markers are lined up, but don't make anymore yellow warp markers.
Then you're done. Takes about as long as your computer does to analyze the file.
Oh and make sure you set the global quantize to at least 1/4 bar. That way the songs will automatically be lined up on quarter notes. |
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| Fl@k Monkey |
| Shhh.. Let him learn what he has already :) |
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| inconspicuous |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Here is the process I use that works every time for me.
1. Select and analyze the track.
2. Hit the warp button.
3. Zoom in and line up the yellow/green warp marker with 1st beat.
4. Zoom in at the end of the track and make sure those markers are lined up, but don't make anymore yellow warp markers.
Then you're done. Takes about as long as your computer does to analyze the file.
Oh and make sure you set the global quantize to at least 1/4 bar. That way the songs will automatically be lined up on quarter notes. |
I always do the first, then another one fairly early on, just to make sure that it's actually the right number of bars. it's usually easy to tell where the first is, but unless you know the bpm already, you can't tell which # the last one should actually be. for example, you might put the last one on 245, when it should be on 244. You now have a completely ed-up clip. Just do one somewhat early on, so it's at least in the general vicinity. It's fair to assume that most stuff is at least close to if not right on a whole number for the bpm (unless you're using vinyl rips or other you didn't pay for), so if you start with, say, the 33rd bar, & aren't sure where the first actually is, due to a lack of distinct indicators in the mapping, you can usually drag it back & forth (zoomed way in) until you get it right on the number, from the later marker. |
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| Sukhoi29SU |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJChrisB
You know, i hate to be mean to the noobs, but asinine questions like this really get to me some times. Try doing a f*ing google search or check out the official ableton forum before posting this crap. |
SETTLE DOWN
I don't see the problem with posting questions on here prior to searching google. Some people are willing to help and might be able to offer better information than what you might find on google. If you have a problem with the question than simply don't answer it and don't waste time by being a dick |
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| Fl@k Monkey |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sukhoi29SU
SETTLE DOWN
I don't see the problem with posting questions on here prior to searching google. Some people are willing to help and might be able to offer better information than what you might find on google. If you have a problem with the question than simply don't answer it and don't waste time by being a dick |
I disagree sorry, If i have to hand feed someone advice on warping a track again anytime soon.. Someone will die. I don't honestly think its fair that while all the tools are there: Google, youtube, Search button etc
It's still somehow fine for users to make new threads, Wasting forum bandwidth, Completely ignoring those tools (And you cannot possibly tell me this guy even made an effort to look first..He didn't.. And if he did he didn't do it hard enough). This isin't what the forum is about.. You want support with Ableton live.. heres a tip.. Go to the Ableton live website where it says in capital letters "SUPPORT".
What is the point of being hand-fed on how to do things? The rewarding feeling of occasionally figuring things out for yourself is well worth it in the long run.
Fair enough if i had a big problem like i couldn't figure out howto set the routing settings so i can hear the cue'd track in headphones and live via speakings whilst connecting up an FX unit etc..
Stuff that is probably still explained in the manual but isin't so easy to understand. Theres no harm in occasionally needing help..
But when you go out and buy a program then come home and get straight on a forum so you can ask for someone to step you through it when LOADS of people have made videos demonstrating it already.. It's plain ing stupid.
It's plain ing stupid that i even replied to help this guy.. When he should have read the first few reponses to go on google, youtube, use the search function and right there.. TA-DA! would be everything he needed. :whip: :whip: :mad: |
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| daphunky1 |
| Well I'm kinda of afraid to post this now after harshing on the original poster, but, now that I've also learned to warp songs (thanks to whoever), my silly noob question is: When I start the master loop the songs start at the same time and so are beatmatched. But of course you don't want two songs to start at the same time when djing... so when I try to start the next song the beats are generally off time. Should ableton be syncing the beats as well when I start the second track? Or do I just hafta be listening to the current track and press play on the second track at the correct moment? |
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