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Will vinyl become cool and take over? (pg. 5)
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| Mr.Mystery |
| Producing the tracks isn't free either, you know. Why would anyone even sell the tracks if there was no profit to be made. |
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| Trance Android |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Producing the tracks isn't free either, you know. Why would anyone even sell the tracks if there was no profit to be made. |
Agreed the producer probably receives a similar amount whichever format & no one will ever have any issue with that. But if the cost of getting tracks out there for sale is reduced why does it still cost a similar amount to buy mp3 to vinyl? Someone is getting greedy. Its not the hardworking producer & it's unlikely to be the label ...so that leaves... ;) |
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| justin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Android
though 90% of those people probably wouldn't bother if it meant spending most weekends hunting through record stores & 2nd hand stores for a hard to find classic :) |
who the hell wouldn't wanna spend a few hours at a record store?
thats the best part besides mixing 'em.
Its sad watching all the record stores disappear from one town to the next. |
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| Surfmorworkless |
| quote: | Originally posted by justin
who the hell wouldn't wanna spend a few hours at a record store?
thats the best part besides mixing 'em.
Its sad watching all the record stores disappear from one town to the next. |
+1 |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trance Android
Someone is getting greedy. Its not the hardworking producer & it's unlikely to be the label ...so that leaves... ;) |
Unlikely to be the label? Yeah, sure... |
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| WardC |
When I first took my hand at DJing in 2001, I started on vinyl...got myself a couple Technics 1200M3Ds and a Korg Kaoss mixer...but I had never beatmatched before. I had some cheap needles though, which kinda sucked...it was fun learning to work with vinyl and there is something cool about physically working with music on a large media format (vinyl record) and real "wheels of steel" - everything was precise, everything was aligned in flow, in tune, in unison, it was like programming a symphony, a machine. I eventually decided that although DJing was a fun hobby, I needed some new computer equipment, and I was a fulltime student in college at the time, so I sold all my records (stupid) and my equipment...planning to come back later and try my hands at the production side, when I could raise the funds to purchase keyboards, controllers, software...well...I did, 5 years later in 2006.
Looking at artists like Sasha and Paul van Dyk, and what they are doing with things performing...it's all digital now - Ableton Live, Xone3D, Midi controllers, keyboard....live mixing, editing, remixing, dub, total control....it's very cool, very fresh, and VERY digital.
There is still something cool about seeing a DJ spin a set on vinyl, especially if there is scratching involved, or anything involving fastpaced record-switching.
I have never done the CDJ deal, but it doesn't seem interesting. Why would you spin on CDs when you could do alot more with a computer and Ableton? having ONE CD deck available in combo with a couple Tech12's seemed like a good thing to have if you wanted to throw down a tune that was not yet on vinyl, something on a CDR...on a CDJ so you could mix it in.....but completely doing a set on CDJs (2 CD decks) seems un-innovative and boring, to me, at least. |
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| leigao84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by WardC
Why would you spin on CDs when you could do alot more with a computer and Ableton? |
Because your CDJ wouldn't crash suddenly in middle of a gig say in Central Park in New York (Ala PVD).
If you ever decide to take your laptop to a gig, you HAVE to guard it very closely because one beer spill could mean the end of a $2k equipment while CDJs are generally built to take much more punishment. |
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| WardC |
| quote: | Originally posted by leigao84
Because your CDJ wouldn't crash suddenly in middle of a gig say in Central Park in New York (Ala PVD).
If you ever decide to take your laptop to a gig, you HAVE to guard it very closely because one beer spill could mean the end of a $2k equipment while CDJs are generally built to take much more punishment. |
That's why:
Note: I see many more problems happening with CDs, they easily scratch, easily skip, and the foil flakes off of them, leading to skip and read problems, NOTE: major problems.
As for laptops crashing, etc...it's just plain dumb to use anything but a Mac if you plan on running a live set, the software and OS (OS X) are the most stable in the industry, and MacBooks / MacBook Pros are built tough - Windows is nothing but a problem. The CDJ would likely present many more problems from a skipping, laser read problem perspective, esp if there is any heavy vibrations (dancefloor, upstairs, boat, terrace)...etc...
It's "playing" CDs, not "spinning", by the way - spinning is physically handling the system and guiding a needle. Playing - pressing buttons and turning knobs on a couple CD players, could be fun...to play with, but not a live show. That is not a show, for me, at least. CDJ-only set = BORING.
Yeah, it's not good to expose a laptop HD to heavy vibrations either, but it can deal with it better than a CD player, that's for sure. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by WardC
they easily scratch, easily skip, and the foil flakes off of them, leading to skip and read problems, NOTE: major problems. |
How the hell do you treat your CD's? I've only managed to make the foil flake off by deliberately scratching a CD with a knife. |
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| Beat Blog |
| quote: | Originally posted by WardC
That's why:
Note: I see many more problems happening with CDs, they easily scratch, easily skip, and the foil flakes off of them, leading to skip and read problems, NOTE: major problems.
As for laptops crashing, etc...it's just plain dumb to use anything but a Mac if you plan on running a live set, the software and OS (OS X) are the most stable in the industry, and MacBooks / MacBook Pros are built tough - Windows is nothing but a problem. The CDJ would likely present many more problems from a skipping, laser read problem perspective, esp if there is any heavy vibrations (dancefloor, upstairs, boat, terrace)...etc...
It's "playing" CDs, not "spinning", by the way - spinning is physically handling the system and guiding a needle. Playing - pressing buttons and turning knobs on a couple CD players, could be fun...to play with, but not a live show. That is not a show, for me, at least. CDJ-only set = BORING.
Yeah, it's not good to expose a laptop HD to heavy vibrations either, but it can deal with it better than a CD player, that's for sure. |
Sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about.
CDJs rarely up, but laptops often do. CDJs have oil dampened suspension/shockers in them that prevent vibration.
As for CDJ only sets being boring, I understand that that is a matter of opinion, however I don't see how you could think that. I'd much rather see someone inserting CDs and pushing buttons than moving ONE FINGER around on the trackpad of a computer.
Computer sets = BORING.
If you in fact meant that computers make the music itself better, I'm going to have to disgaree there too. On a computer you can make loops and edits, and use effects, but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't make THAT much difference on the floor. How many people are going to notice that you boosted the HF by +2dB, or that you extended a breakdown by four measly beats?
I'm yet to experience a set on computer which has been earth shatteringly clever and passionate. On the whole, they consist of subtle crap that tends to make the music worse, not better.
I will reverse my opinion of computer DJs when I see someone do on a computer what James Zabiela does with 2 CDJ1000s and an EFX-1000. |
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| Ricky Tan |
| Yea...guess one could take those float mats they make for tunrtables and place em under a cdj, or laptop. problem solved... |
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| Surfmorworkless |
| quote: | Originally posted by WardC
As for laptops crashing, etc...it's just plain dumb to use anything but a Mac if you plan on running a live set, the software and OS (OS X) are the most stable in the industry, and MacBooks / MacBook Pros are built tough - Windows is nothing but a problem.
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Actually Sasha runs mac and Ableton and on ocassion he has had to spin cds because his system crashes.I at one time thought mac was almost uncrashable.But Ableton can do the trick. |
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