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PAN of Instruments in Trance
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| Lyubomyr |
What's panning of instruments in trance music? How left is hihat? Should be snare in the center?
Thanks for your help for student :) |
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| echosystm |
| keep any prominent sounds in the center. Lots of clubs are mono, so you will lose things when they're panned. Really wide stereo is usually achieved with stereo effects, where the dry sound isn't really panned more than a few degrees. |
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| System101 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
keep any prominent sounds in the center. Lots of clubs are mono, so you will lose things when they're panned. Really wide stereo is usually achieved with stereo effects, where the dry sound isn't really panned more than a few degrees. |
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| derail |
Sometimes hats are moved slightly off centre. Generally kick and bass centred. A lot of the stuff on the sides is delays, reverbs etc. But sometimes producers get more creative.
Easiest way to find out what you think sounds good is to grab some of your favourite CDs and just make notes of where producers place things. You'll find certain similarities as well as certain areas where producers get more creative with panning. |
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| T-Soma |
Besides the general rule that echosystm has stated the rest is up to your creativity.
Its more of a rock thing but why not try panning in the sense of a real drum kit.
Snare to your left, Tom to your right etc etc.
Just play around with the stuff until it seems to fit.
Listen to some tracks you life, try to figure out what they are doing. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
id expect more flaming lol- |
It's a legitimate question, and one that's not annoying as hell, too.
But yeh, for the most part, panning in trance is minimal, although it really depends on the aesthetic, as well as how much space you have. I sometimes place several different instruments at different pan positions to give a sort of orchestral sense to the music. The low end generally goes to the center, though. |
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| ASFSE |
| the pan is an instrument of cooking, not trance, wtf. noob.:conf: |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by ASFSE
the pan is an instrument of cooking, not trance, wtf. noob.:conf: |
Panpipes, duh. |
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| ASFSE |
| oooooooooooooooooh, i get it...LOL |
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| Fledz |
I've noticed a fair bit of perc panning in trance. Something I haven't been doing but that I might start. Not much, but just a few degrees.
Now, anyone have any idea what's an acceptable level? Anywhere between 3-10 for snares, hats etc? I know it's open to interpretation but more input from others always helps. |
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| derail |
Levels also vary widely. I'm still trying to come to grips with that style of mixing, since Cubase tells you the dbs of each mixer channel. Before I had those I couldn't really relate to engineers saying "I'll get the snare so it's hitting at -6".
But so far in my limited experience, trying to work to db levels - it still totally depends on the frequencies of the snare, hihat, etc. If you're using the same sounds, yes, put the faders at the same levels and you'll get a nice balance. But change the hihat for one with quite a different frequency content and it could sound really quiet or really loud, depending on what else is happening.
Maybe sometime down the track with more experience in this method I'll be able to state things more confidently. Currently I'm just using my ears and what feels right initially, then once I have my mix set up I run it through an analysis system I put together, which quickly lets me know if the levels are out of whack at any particular frequency. That process gets the mix 95% there before I get too far into the production/ song structuring side of things.
Back to the orignal point, as thoughtlessjex pointed out, the low end is normally very centred. I was working on a track one day where I had significant bass panned fairly wide and was trying to put my finger on why it sounded so different to all the tracks I was referencing against. Potentially you can get away with it, but you really have to be comfortable that that's what you're aiming for. I wasn't, in this instance. It sounded much better when I brought the bass in a fair bit. |
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