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Are you in favour of deporting Muslims/Arabs from Western states? (pg. 3)
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| The Arbiter |
| quote: | | FYI this thread wasn't started because the OP believes Muslims should be deported (he's a Muslim himself). I think the thread was a reaction to the general anti-Muslim feeling in this forum. |
Fair enough.
| quote: | | But I still don't understand why you've decided to include Muslims in the "bigger picture" of all immigrants when we're not discussing immigrants at all - we're dicussing (in our two's case) British citizens whose religion is Islam... |
Firstly, I've told you why, twice and with optimum clarity. Perhaps you could explain to me why you don't understand my reasons?
Secondly, believe it or not, not all Muslim have western home nations. Meaning the thread isnt constrained by what you claim.
| quote: | | It was not clear in your previous post whether you favour deporting all immigrants full stop, or whether you favour deporting immigrants when they do something wrong... |
First thing you should do before you engage in any kindof retort in a thread, is to read said thread from the start if you can. It's only two pages. Why ask me to clarify when you can do the job yourself? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Arbiter
Firstly, I've told you why, twice and with optimum clarity. Perhaps you could explain to me why you don't understand my reasons?
Secondly, believe it or not, not all Muslim have western home nations. Meaning the thread isnt constrained by what you claim.
First thing you should do before you engage in any kindof retort in a thread, is to read said thread from the start if you can. It's only two pages. Why ask me to clarify when you can do the job yourself? |
shaolin_z's reply to you was "you're not an immigrant if you were born in America", suggesting the topic was whether or not you supported deporting (expelling is probably the correct term) British born Muslims from the UK (or whatever your home country is). But fair enough, Islamic immigrants can probably be included in the thread topic as it was worded.
However, you were still arguing back-to-front - Muslims are not part of the bigger picture of immigrants as you said earlier. (Muslim) immigrants are a part of the bigger picture of Muslims in the UK, as are British born Muslims. There is no umbrella term "immigrant" to describe all Muslims as you suggest.
Anyway, the reason a few people (not only me) had a problem with your first post is because it ONLY referred to immigrants, and not British-born Muslims. That might suggest that you consider British-born Muslims to be immigrants, or it suggests you missed the point of the thread... |
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| The Arbiter |
| quote: | | However, you were still arguing back-to-front - Muslims are not part of the bigger picture of immigrants as you said earlier. (Muslim) immigrants are a part of the bigger picture of Muslims in the UK, as are British born Muslims. There is no umbrella term "immigrant" to describe all Muslims as you suggest. |
I did not say that. Sheesh. I never once suggested that all immigrant's are Muslim's, nor did I claim all Muslim's can be described by the term immigrants. Now, stop putting words in my mouth, immediately.
| quote: | | Anyway, the reason a few people (not only me) had a problem with your first post is because it ONLY referred to immigrants, and not British-born Muslims. That might suggest that you consider British-born Muslims to be immigrants, or it suggests you missed the point of the thread... |
No-one with sense would make that assumption. You're over-analysing my posts to justify your own inability to correctly interprit. By the way, only you and one other person managed to mis-interprit. I doubt you are the only person on this forum incapable of logical conclusions as hundreds of forum's have hundred's of the same people. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Arbiter
I did not say that. Sheesh. I never once suggested that all immigrant's are Muslim's, nor did I claim all Muslim's can be described by the term immigrants. Now, stop putting words in my mouth, immediately.
No-one with sense would make that assumption. You're over-analysing my posts to justify your own inability to correctly interprit. By the way, only you and one other person managed to mis-interprit. I doubt you are the only person on this forum incapable of logical conclusions as hundreds of forum's have hundred's of the same people. |
What assumption should we have made from your original post that referred to deporting immigrants when asked whether Muslims should be deported? |
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| The Arbiter |
The fact that the thread talks about Muslim's and the fact that some immigrant's are Muslim's support's the assumption that I was including Muslim's in my 'Bigger Picture'. Less supported is your claim that I was talking about immigrant's other than Muslim's specifically, in a thread specifically about Muslim's and that I decided to make a random post about such specifically targetted immigrant's in a completely un-related thread from the offset.
Now, does this end here? |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Arbiter
The fact that the thread talks about Muslim's and the fact that some immigrant's are Muslim's support's the assumption that I was including Muslim's in my 'Bigger Picture'. Less supported is your claim that I was talking about immigrant's other than Muslim's specifically, in a thread specifically about Muslim's and that I decided to make a random post about such specifically targetted immigrant's in a completely un-related thread from the offset.
Now, does this end here? |
My point is that your posts seem to suggest that all Muslims are immigrants... |
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| Sunsnail |
Don't put apostrophes to pluralize...
Why was immigrants brought up at all? Wrong thread |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sunsnail
Don't put apostrophes to pluralize... |
Amen to that brother!
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| The Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
My point is that your posts seem to suggest that all Muslims are immigrants... |
Now your simply contradicting me for the sake ofit. Explain yourself damnit, I've shot this down twice and all you seem to do is repeat yourself over and over without actually posting a retort.
| quote: | | Why was immigrants brought up at all? Wrong thread |
Read the thread. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Arbiter
Now your simply contradicting me for the sake ofit. Explain yourself damnit, I've shot this down twice and all you seem to do is repeat yourself over and over without actually posting a retort. |
I'm just saying that your posts imply, most likely by accident, that all Muslims are immigrants, or that you view all Muslims as being foreign...
He did, hence his question asking why you brought up the subject of immigrants... |
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| The Arbiter |
| quote: | | I'm just saying that your posts imply, most likely by accident, that all Muslims are immigrants, or that you view all Muslims as being foreign... |
All I know is my post makes sense and that your interpritation has changed half way through the ing arguement. To start off with I was talking about immigrant's other than Muslim's wasnt I? Now Im saying all immigrant's are Muslims. How do you expect me to understand you when your constantly shifting the target?
| quote: | | He did, hence his question asking why you brought up the subject of immigrants... |
You should let him speak for himself, seeying as his interpritation of my post contradict's your most recent version. |
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Amen to that brother!
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Careful, Purple doesn't like :mad: :mad: :mad: and be forced to ban you. :p
Hey Purple! >>:mad:<< |
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