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| The Arbiter |
| Thats a half-arsed retort and you know it. I asked you the question in relevance to the debate. I say your not making a difference and your just like everybody else. You say I am making assumptions, I ask you to tell me if Im wrong. You refuse. If you continue to refuse the only logical conclusion to draw is that I am correct and you are just like everybody else. Now conscious of it if you wasnt before. What say you? |
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| George Smiley |
| To be fair, the point of this forum is to debate issues. It doesn't matter whether you are doing anything to achieve your opinions, because this isn't the place to do it. All we are here to do is debate current affairs, if you don't want to do that, or you want to belittle people who do, then I'm not really sure what purposed is served by posting here... |
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| The Arbiter |
| What he does is part of the issue because the debate is specifically about us and what we do to help the political world. I've admitted my unwillingness to do anything about it, fine. Im a lazy supporter and the world is bad because of people like me. Perhaps. My response is an ask of why the world is better because of what he does on this forum. It isnt, was the conclusion. Now he has to tell me what he does outside the forum to help the political climate. If he does anything its really not that hard to list. If he cant then it turns out, practically atleast he does nothing. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Arbiter
Thats a half-arsed retort and you know it. I asked you the question in relevance to the debate. I say your not making a difference and your just like everybody else. You say I am making assumptions, I ask you to tell me if Im wrong. You refuse. If you continue to refuse the only logical conclusion to draw is that I am correct and you are just like everybody else. Now conscious of it if you wasnt before. What say you? |
This isn't even about me, though. I'm just the messenger so what I do is irrelevant.
What I do is try to maintain a small semblance of privacy - the little bit that I still have left. If I actually knew you and this were either email or instant message then I would definitely be a little more forthcoming - but it's not.
Don't dare give me some fake, holier than thou attitude just because I don't want to spill my personal business out onto a public message board. |
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| The Arbiter |
A: I am not holier than thou. Hell Im lazy, have protected sex and I hate religion. Holy aint the word for me.
B: Truth is, if you really did anything you would jump at the chance to prove me wrong. Hell, its not asif Im asking for your credit card details or what bar you goto to get stone-drunk. Im not even asking you what you do in extreme detail. Im simply asking you what you do to prove you care anymore than the average person does about the current political climate. |
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| The Arbiter |
| Forget it. Your privacy is a right, ofcourse. I dont want to come across as Dubya himself. |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Arbiter
What he does is part of the issue because the debate is specifically about us and what we do to help the political world. I've admitted my unwillingness to do anything about it, fine. Im a lazy supporter and the world is bad because of people like me. Perhaps. My response is an ask of why the world is better because of what he does on this forum. It isnt, was the conclusion. Now he has to tell me what he does outside the forum to help the political climate. If he does anything its really not that hard to list. If he cant then it turns out, practically atleast he does nothing. |
Well I think Trancer-X's original issue with you was your apparent apathy to what he considers important issues. I can see where you are coming from (being criticised for not doing anything) but I think he meant not caring. If you recognise an issue, and just support it individually, it's not going along with what you see as wrong. Just speaking up against something you see as wrong, even if it's just on an internet forum, is doing something, even if it achieves nothing... |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
To be fair, the point of this forum is to debate issues. It doesn't matter whether you are doing anything to achieve your opinions, because this isn't the place to do it. All we are here to do is debate current affairs, if you don't want to do that, or you want to belittle people who do, then I'm not really sure what purposed is served by posting here... |
The point of this forum is to use your f***ing brain and not be just another poodle. I've been posting on this board since a time before you even joined TranceAddict and I've never had any problems.
Anyway, how could you honestly even try to debate politics (with any real accuracy) if you're not really even aware of the major issues which are plaguing this world (nor do you really seem to care)?
To truly understand what anything is about you can never cease to ask questions.
I apologize for any belittling but this really tests my patience.
Many of you make fun of America's Bush supporters but I honestly feel like you're really not too much different from them in your support of this bull status quo.
Oh well. Everything is relative. |
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| The Arbiter |
| Err...Who are you talking to? If it's me, you've got me completely wrong. I know the political issues in the world, minor or major. However, I dont do anything about them because it isnt my job. Thats not to say I dont care. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Arbiter
Err...Who are you talking to? If it's me, you've got me completely wrong. I know the political issues in the world, minor or major. However, I dont do anything about them because it isnt my job. Thats not to say I dont care. |
It wasn't really directed at anyone in particular.
I'm not going to claim that I know all of the issues but I do know that when I raise one and am mindlessly told that it's just a conspiracy theory (after having done a significant amount of due diligence which leads me to believe otherwise) it is kind of disheartening.
I guess it just bothers me that such a large number of people are so content with using catch phrases as a means to evade critically thinking about difficult issues rather than actually researching them and either confirming or debunking them for themselves.
I think it's up to everyone to try and make a positive difference in this world. Such a "job" shouldn't have to rest on any particular individual. We're each only in control of our own actions.
If everyone were to wait for someone else to make a difference then that difference will never be made. |
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| The Arbiter |
Sometimes a person just knows, not just to be negative for the sake of a quiet life, but simply knows themselves well enough to say "This isnt something I can sort out."
I am one of those people. I dont have the will, or the attributes to bring down a goverment or even make a contribution to such an endeavour and I refuse to let myself get into a mindset were I can believe that I am somehow responsible for the world because Im only going to be disappointed. This might be depressing for you being someone already in that cycle of belief but to me? Normality of life has been restored. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Arbiter
Sometimes a person just knows, not just to be negative for the sake of a quiet life, but simply knows themselves well enough to say "This isnt something I can sort out."
I am one of those people. I dont have the will, or the attributes to bring down a goverment or even make a contribution to such an endeavour and I refuse to let myself get into a mindset were I can believe that I am somehow responsible for the world because Im only going to be disappointed. This might be depressing for you being someone already in that cycle of belief but to me? Normality of life has been restored. |
I just know that no matter how big or how small, I can still make a positive difference and therefore I'm going to at least make the effort to try.
Perhaps it's in my genes because when WWII broke out my grandfather ran away from home to join the Marines (when he was only sixteen), thinking that he was going to do his part to help rid the world of those evil Nazi's. Little did he know that it was financial elements on Wall Street which were funding the very same war machine that he was risking his life to fight.
I know full well that I wouldn't be serving anything but corporate interests if I were to enlist so that's not a choice that I'd ever be willing to make.
Anyway, I have to run. I just found a really good quote that I like, though - so before I go I'm posting it. :tongue2
| quote: | "A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!"
- Alexander Hamilton |
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