Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I suppose we ought to choose a new futuristic vision for trance then. What should it include? Robots? Post-apocalyptic bands of warriors?
Perhaps trance was the 90s' vision of futurism, like house was the 80s'. Interesting that the 00s haven't yet seen a genuinely new genre emerge in electronic music. The 80s gave us house and techno and the 90s gave us trance and jungle, but the 00s? Perhaps there's no futurism any more because the musicians out there are suckers of history and have too much reverence for what's gone before them.
MrJiveBoJingles
Really, I think a big part of the "s of history" phenomenon and the feeling that "everything has been done" is that the rise of digital EDM stores and p2p sharing have extended the collective memory of the electronic music scene far beyond what it would otherwise have been.
Heh.
HaeD
I couldn't read it, im too stupid with my ipod
noikeee
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Really, I think a big part of the "s of history" phenomenon and the feeling that "everything has been done" is that the rise of digital EDM stores and p2p sharing have extended the collective memory of the electronic music scene far beyond what it would otherwise have been.
Heh.
Maybe what we need to do is lock every potential producer in a solitary cage with a bunch of equipment. Make up your own music with no influences, .
Really interesting discussion (100x better than the usual on this forum), but I have nothing relevant to add. :p
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by noikeee
Maybe what we need to do is lock every potential producer in a solitary cage with a bunch of equipment.
The results might be interesting. You'd probably end up with a lot of angst-filled music, though. :p
noikeee
And we'd probably need to lock them up for years so that their music taste could mature, and their experience at producing music could increase.
Sounds like fun, let's do it. :gsmile:
nefardec
isolation is not the key to innovation
innovation always comes from contact with other people, a reappropriation of ideas
there's still new and innovative stuff coming out, but we are desensitized to it.
I think the real culprits in this are the people who patronize the scene. And they can't really be helped for the most part, especially those just getting into it. When I liked epic trance I had no idea I was contributing to the demise of a cultural era.
Maybe it has to do with the fact that there are less freaks in the scene, and more self-consciousness and narcissism.. or rather mabe a similar number of freaks but dwarfed by the rest of the culture.
And some of the leaders who used to be freaks now need agents to program voting software for magazine polls and to take campy fashion shots on beaches, in front of brick walls and urban textures, and in venice, because for whatever reason they are trying to reach other audiences.
MrJiveBoJingles
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Originally posted by nefardec
Maybe it has to do with the fact that there are less freaks in the scene
Yep.
And the freaks who are there hesitate to let their freakiness come out because of the swarms of non-freaks ready to point and laugh.
Dojomaster26
I'm typing this as I listen to Phuture's 'Rise From Your Grave'. I think it fits this thread nicely :)
The thing about futurism for me was that the images conveyed by the artists were either very clean and idealic (Kraftwerk's 'Autobahn') or unrealistic (The Jetsons' view of the future might come true, but not in our lifetimes).
Like nefardec said, there's innovative stuff coming out, but we, the music consumers, are barraged with so much music that it is very easy for an innovative releases to be missed. Blame the lack of awareness on the saturation of the music market than on the producers that are doing something other than using presets to make their tunes.
Also, the innovations that I am hearing are not major ones like what happened in the early 90s, but minor nuances that are changing overtime. For example, thanks to the global culture that we now have, producers today can find many more sources for samples than they could even 10 years ago. Now instead of going to a physical record shop for ideas, one can access one of the many producers' groups and music communities on the net to find material. A good example of this emerged when Timbaland took a sample from a Finnish keytune producer and used the track as the undercurrent of a Nelly Furtado single:
Never mind the legal issues with this sampling, before this would have not been possible. Thanks to the internet keytune producers are able to join together and share their songs with each other, etc. Before, one with this obscure hobby might not have known where to go for help, or even if anyone else was doing this, with the exception of a visit to the Classic Gaming Expo. A kid with the brains to hack a NES sound chip into producing his/her own unique melodies would not have had a place to get help if something went horribly wrong...
And this is true for almsot every sub-culture that exists today. Furries, Sega Saturn enthusiasts, J-Pop fans :D , etc all have access to each other, allowing for a greater proliferation of ideas. Innovations are able to be spread to the rest of the community instead of being stuck in someone's home in Wisconsin.
The point is that there are tons of new outlets for creativity, new ideas waiting to be expanded upon, and new sources for musical inspiration. Why then are producers sticking to the tried-and-true formula for Electro House, or Breaks, or Minimal, or whatever, with only minor changes in these genres taking place?
Part of it comes from the desire to sell records, and that causes producers to be fearful of trying anything that is too far from the 'norm'. We live in a capitalist society and for many artists the influence of money holds a greater sway over their output than the desire to try something new.
Another part of it could amount to laziness. 'Why try something new when I already have this preset that the fans ate up last time?'
Ishkur
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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Seriously, though. How did furries find one another before there were Internet message boards and mailing lists?
They didn't. They would either keep it to themselves or commit suicide.
And this, people, is why the internet was such a terrible idea. It allows hardcore nerds, paedophiles, fat people, furries, cosplayers, bbw fetish and enthusiasts of every freak activity you can think of to congregate, organize, and convince themselves that they are normal, perfectly well adjusted people and the problem is that society simply doesn't understand them.
MrJiveBoJingles
There's definitely some humor value in seeing it all happen, though.
Dojomaster26
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Originally posted by Ishkur
They didn't. They would either keep it to themselves or commit suicide.
And this, people, is why the internet was such a terrible idea. It allows hardcore nerds, paedophiles, fat people, furries, cosplayers, bbw fetish and enthusiasts of every freak activity you can think of to congregate, organize, and convince themselves that they are normal, perfectly well adjusted people and the problem is that society simply doesn't understand them.
Yeah, but with all of these 'undesirable' groups online there are also plenty of outlets for more 'normal' groups to communicate at the same time.
And just because you think they are wrong doesn't mean that they don't have the right to communicate in the same way that you or I do. Freedom of speech and the like...
