Originally posted by Gauss
Looks rather nice for an American car.
That means much coming from a person that dislikes the look of American cars and prefers European ones by far. :p
I sort of consider 99% of american cars to be nothing more than overweight, wallowing things made by inbred baboons which spend their 8hrs a day belting a lump of raw metal into roughly a 'car shape'
I must admit I did have a look at an imported C4 today which had been done up nicely, a RHD conversion and considered it :o
(Then realised it's a dumb, noisy boy-car and kept looking at other things :p hehe)
getfoul
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Originally posted by leph555 silly BMW pictures here
And the point of trying to show up to a gun fight with a knife is? The BMW cannot compare with the Z06 or the ZR1. They are two completely different market segments.
Lets not forget track times around the Nuerburgring (BMW's home turf):
- 7:28 - Pagani Zonda F Clubsport, 602 PS/1230 kg (09/07)
- 7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT, 612 PS/1380 kg, Walter Röhrl, (Autobild 07/04)
- 7:29 - Porsche 997 GT2, Walter Röhrl (Fastest lap)
- 7.32 - Porsche Carrera GT (Sport Auto Trophy, driven by Horst von Saurma)
- 7:32 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (Michael Duchting)
- 7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2 2008 (Motor Authority, Autobild, driven by Walter Röhrl, complaining after the lap that he had to pass eleven other cars "Ich musste elf Autos ueberholen")
- 7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1380 kg (Gemballa)
- 7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1140 kg (cold conditions), Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
- 7:35 - Nissan GT-R, 480 PS/1739 kg, 10/07 (MotorTrend/ Edmunds 7:38)
- 7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, 626PS/1768 kg Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
- 7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480PS/1565 kg Walter Röhrl
- 7:40 - Bugatti Veyron 16/4, 1001PS/1888 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
- 7.42 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen)[2]
- 7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440 kg, Walter Röhrl (Automobil 05/06)
- 7:42 - Ford GT, 550 PS/1521 kg (as indicated by Octane magazine, 11/05) (news release, pictures)
- 7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
- 7:44 - Pagani Zonda S 550 PS/1280 kg (sport auto 02/05)
- 7:50 - Lamborghini Murcielago, (sport auto 06/02)
- 7:50 - BMW X5 E53 LM, BMW Lemans V-12 engine 750 bhp, Hans-Joachim Stuck (EVO magazine 08/2005)
- 7:50 - BMW M3 E46 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
- 7:52 - Porsche 996 GT3 (381 hp) [citation needed]
- 7:52 - Lamborghini Gallardo [citation needed]
Note: the Z06 was on runflats not street legal race compound tires and it was still 8 seconds faster than the best BMW had to offer :P.
XaNaX
The current Z06 gives you supercar power at a fraction of the cost of anything remotely as fast. The ZR-1 will be even more insane than that. Actually, what is most impressive is that the ing base model Corvette next year will have more power than the Z06 had when I looked at one back in 2001.
getfoul
:tongue3 LS3
D-res
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Originally posted by XaNaX
The current Z06 gives you supercar power at a fraction of the cost of anything remotely as fast. The ZR-1 will be even more insane than that. Actually, what is most impressive is that the ing base model Corvette next year will have more power than the Z06 had when I looked at one back in 2001.
Too bad Corvettes handle like and look even worse. :toothless
gehzumteufel
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Originally posted by XaNaX
The current Z06 gives you supercar power at a fraction of the cost of anything remotely as fast. The ZR-1 will be even more insane than that. Actually, what is most impressive is that the ing base model Corvette next year will have more power than the Z06 had when I looked at one back in 2001.
corvette = best bang for your buck when looking for a serious overall package. you get power, comfort, and handling without breaking the bank. for under 70k you can get the z06. the zr1 will be around 80-85 and it will smoke all the cars that are under 100k with the exception of maybe one or two cars.
d-res: the vette really doesnt handle like . if you think so then your driving a ed up one. they have a good weight distribution (52/48 iirc) but i will say the runflats dont perform well compared to regular tires. even still its a badass handling car. seen it handle stock quite well myself.
L.E.N.
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Originally posted by gehzumteufel
d-res: the vette really doesnt handle like . if you think so then your driving a ed up one. they have a good weight distribution (52/48 iirc) but i will say the runflats dont perform well compared to regular tires. even still its a badass handling car. seen it handle stock quite well myself.
Seriously. My friends Z06 was a killing machine once he put on some sticky tires. Took to an autocross and there was only 3 cars faster and two were set up strctly for SCCA events( Ferrari 360/mazda rx7). My friend was in his daily driver.
nchs09
mmmm have i mentioned i would give my left nut for a zonda. heard the news about the new zonda beating the carrera gt but i have yet to see pics of this new beast.
leph555
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Originally posted by nchs09
mmmm have i mentioned i would give my left nut for a zonda. heard the news about the new zonda beating the carrera gt but i have yet to see pics of this new beast.
it goes for 1.2 million + taxes
nchs09
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Originally posted by leph555
meh those are drawings not pics.
and i like the F better if that is really what its going to look like.
L.E.N.
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Originally posted by nchs09
mmmm have i mentioned i would give my left nut for a zonda. heard the news about the new zonda beating the carrera gt but i have yet to see pics of this new beast.
The zonda F...looks almost the same. Very small differences.
leph555
Days after leaked images revealed Pagani's new Zonda R clubsport (that's a club we wouldn't mind getting hazed for), official word has come from the Italian supercar builder on its newest model. The track-only Zonda R will get a 750-hp (523 ft-lbs of torque) version of the Mercedes AMG-sourced, 7.3-liter V12 that produces 680 hp in the Zonda F clubsport (594 hp in the street model). It'll be 40 cm longer nose to tail, with a slightly longer wheelbase. More pics to come from the land of the midnight cheese products.
