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vocal keying method? (pg. 2)
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| Eldritch |
| GSnap, which is free is more than enough for this purpose. Don't waste money on Autotune or Melodyne. |
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| carmatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eldritch
GSnap, which is free is more than enough for this purpose. Don't waste money on Autotune or Melodyne. |
Gsnap looks cool from what I've seen of it, but is it a vocal pitch corrector , or can it also detect correct vocal pitches?and preferably once it has detected the parts where the notes are on-key, it separates those parts for me somehow so I dont have to load the vocal sample in another program and find the sections that Gsnap says are on-key... I'm abit of a purist, I dont want to do anything other than sample the vocals directly... otherwise I might as well be re-keying the entire vocal track or something
sorry if Im asking abit much! I thought it would be simple to do something like this... |
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| Sanguis Mortuum |
| quote: | Originally posted by carmatic
preferably once it has detected the parts where the notes are on-key, it separates those parts for me somehow so I dont have to load the vocal sample in another program and find the sections that Gsnap says are on-key... |
So you just want a program where you can click a button and have it all done for you?
You might call that 'being a purist', I would call that 'being lazy'. |
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| kitphillips |
I'm a little unclear about what your after, but I assume yor talking about the stutter edits like in song like "Year Zero" by andy moor.
If this is the case, then neither autotune or melodyne will do what you want, but you might need them anyway.
What you probably want to do, is split the sample up into short segments, then stick it in a sampler like kontakt, and map each key (which you have to work out yourself, because I've used both melodyne and auto tune and neither have anything to do with it) to a certain slice of the sample.
where the autotune might come in handy, is in cleaning up the sample, because you want it to be as close to pitch as possible to get a good effect, this only applies if you recorded it yourself. |
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| carmatic |
yes, let me put it this way
I want to load the vocal sample into something , which when I press a key for a note, will play the section of the sample which is sung at that note |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by carmatic
yes, let me put it this way
I want to load the vocal sample into something , which when I press a key for a note, will play the section of the sample which is sung at that note |
Yeah ok, the issue is, theres no program that will detect the original input note, then warp it to the note your playing. There are programs which will detect the input pitch and make a midi fromit (melodyne) or others which can play a single sample all over the keyboard (a sampler) but no program will do both. So your going t have to work out the notes that are being sung yourself, in order to tell the sampler what the original note is.
You can do it two ways:
1/ load a series of samples of different notes and then play them. You still need to work out what notes were originally being sung yourself.
2/ load a single sample into the sampler, tell the sampler what the original key was and then allow the sampler to pitch shift the single sample all over the keyboard. This will result in poor quality.
This is hard to explain without showing you, but I hope its a bit clearer.
The way I do it is in the editor in live, this gives you control over placement and pitch using the transpose knob. I don't like programming it all into samplers much, but maybe give it a try if the editor method is irritating you. |
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| DigiNut |
Melodyne is designed for this sort of thing (it doesn't actually rearrange anything, unless you tell it to, it just re-pitches what's already there, and does a damn good job of it).
There are other pitch-correction plugins/programs like Autotune, but, not surprisingly, they just correct intonation problems. They're not so great for actually changing the entire rhythm and melody.
Kit: Melodyne literally DOES stick it onto a piano roll for you and let you change the notes, just like you'd change MIDI notes in a sequencer. It's a little scary how little effort is required. |
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| carmatic |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Melodyne is designed for this sort of thing (it doesn't actually rearrange anything, unless you tell it to, it just re-pitches what's already there, and does a damn good job of it). |
so you CAN make melodyne rearrange a sample to get a new melody? i.e. it finds the different sections containing different notes being sung then maps them to your keyboard
| quote: | | It's a little scary how little effort is required. |
well, thats my style! |
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| kooma |
| quote: | Originally posted by carmatic it finds the different sections containing different notes being sung then maps them to your keyboard
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i think not. it's a pitch correction program. but it can show you when and what note is sung and you can cut it out and put it in your sampler mapping it to the corresponding key. you can do it also in your audio editor select a range which you think is one key. loop it, use your ears or spectrum analyser to determine the key. export that put a name on it with a key in a filename. do this for all parts and import it to a sampler and map to a corresponding key.
but thats really bull you're after. this is not how it's done. you just import the whole vocal to a sampler. map it to your keyboard so that each key you press and hold plays a sample to the end of file or as long as you hold the key down. but different keys trigger the sample at different places. and you just jam until you find something cool. |
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| DigiNut |
If you just want to "rearrange" the notes, then import it into a sampler. Melodyne is overkill for something this simple, and it's a hell of a lot more expensive.
I have to reiterate for the people who weren't listening, however, that Melodyne is not simple pitch correction like Autotune. I don't know how to make this any clearer than I already have, so here's a screencap from their site:
Make sense? You can import an audio track and change the pitch and duration of any notes, through a piano roll UI similar to the MIDI/Piano-Roll UI in every other sequencer. Pitch correction only fixes minor tuning problems from an instrumentalist or vocalist. |
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| kitphillips |
Sorry, maybe I misinterpreted, I know that melodyne can rearrange the melody, but I thought he wanted to be able to play the melody on a keyboard to get stutter edits or something similar. I probably misunderstood, carmatic, can you post an example of what you want to do please, I'm really lost now and I'd hate to see you spend money on autotune or melodyne when a sampler was what you needed...
A a side note, autotune can be put in to manual mode to re arrange notes, but melodyne is better designed for this;) I find I can't get more than 2 semitones without some really serious artifacts creeping in too, melodyne or autotune... |
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