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| Fir3start3r |
Hugo Chavez shocked... simply shocked... that masked gunmen opened fire on a pro-democracy rally denouncing his dictatorship...(ala Fark.com)
Geeeee....yea think?? :rolleyes:
But hey...
Leave Chavez alone! You should be glad he's even oppressing you!
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8 Injured After Anti-Hugo Chavez March
Nov 7 07:16 PM US/Eastern
By SANDRA SIERRA
Associated Press Writer
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Gunmen opened fire on students returning from a march Wednesday in which 80,000 people denounced President Hugo Chavez's attempts to expand his power. At least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, officials said.
Photographers for The Associated Press saw at least two gunmen—one wearing a ski mask and another covering his face with a T-shirt—firing handguns at the anti-Chavez crowd. Terrified students ran through the campus as ambulances arrived.
National Guard troops gathered outside the Central University of Venezuela, the nation's largest and a center for opposition to Chavez's government. Venezuelan law bars state security forces from entering the campus, but Luis Acuna, the minister of higher education, said they could be called in if the university requests them.
Antonio Rivero, director of Venezuela's Civil Defense agency, told local Union Radio that at least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, and that no one had been killed. Earlier, Rivero said he had been informed that one person had died in the violence.
The violence broke out after anti-Chavez demonstrators—led by university students—marched peacefully to the Supreme Court to protest constitutional changes that Venezuelans will consider in a December referendum.
The amendments would abolish presidential term limits, give the president control over the Central Bank and let him create new provinces governed by handpicked officials.
The protesters demand the referendum be suspended, saying the amendments would weaken civil liberties in one of South America's oldest democracies and give Chavez unprecedented power to declare states of emergency.
"Don't allow Venezuela to go down a path that nobody wants to cross," student leader Freddy Guevara told Globovision.
Chavez, who was first elected in 1998, denies the reforms threaten freedom. He says they would instead move Venezuela toward what he calls "21st century socialism."
The Supreme Court is unlikely to act on the students' demands, given that pro-Chavez lawmakers appointed all 32 of its justices.
Hundreds of National Guardsmen and police in riot gear were posted along the march route to prevent clashes between protesters and Chavez sympathizers, but they were restricted from entering the campus.
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| Magnetonium |
Heck, in Venezuela hardly anyone has guns :sarcazm: ... I suppose you want to say that Chavez hired those two people to terrorize the population. Thats what Alex Jones would say though. |
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| George Smiley |
Just goes to prove what everybody knows: NOBODY in the world likes students!
Seriously tho, I've seen the reports and noted a few things...
Firstly, Chavez can only be blamed for these attacks were carried out by the state. If not, then they are merely criminal acts which happen in every country in the world, and can't really be used as a criticism of Chavez
Secondly, how can a "pro-democracy group" (as you describe them) be protesting against a planned referendum? I think that all constitutional changes need to be ratified by referendums in Venezuela (and if not, that is certainly Chavez's policy) so why don't they put their efforts into campaigning for a "no" vote rather than campaigning against the referendum itself
Thirdly, they are students (not that that in itself is an excuse to shoot them!) who most likely represent the upper classes and therefore the Venezuelan elitist opposition, so they aren't exactly representative of the majority of Venezuelans |
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| DJ Shibby |
The people love him.
Much different a situation than over here in America, eh?
Maybe because we're trapped and helpless as human beings, we wish to see everyone else just the same to make us feel better? |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by George Smiley
Firstly, Chavez can only be blamed for these attacks were carried out by the state. If not, then they are merely criminal acts which happen in every country in the world, and can't really be used as a criticism of Chavez
Secondly, how can a "pro-democracy group" (as you describe them) be protesting against a planned referendum? I think that all constitutional changes need to be ratified by referendums in Venezuela (and if not, that is certainly Chavez's policy) so why don't they put their efforts into campaigning for a "no" vote rather than campaigning against the referendum itself
Thirdly, they are students (not that that in itself is an excuse to shoot them!) who most likely represent the upper classes and therefore the Venezuelan elitist opposition |
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| shaolin_Z |
| LOL @ thread title |
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| shaolin_Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Shibby
Maybe because we're trapped and helpless as human beings |
Not really, that's a choice we've collectively made at this point in human history. Weakness, irresposibility, immorality, and degeneracy together perpetuate this chosen state of existance. Change is hard, especially when it's transformational in nature, but a lot less hard on an individual level. It's still generally quite amusing to see people shift blame for the consequences of their lack of resonsibility, complacency, and inaction on some arbitrary externality. |
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| George Smiley |
There's always two sides to a story isn't there?
| quote: | According to eyewitness reports from Hands Off Venezuela members, violence broke out yesterday in Caracas when opposition students arrived back from a peaceful demonstration against the proposed constitutional reforms. Apparently frustrated by the lack of violence, a group of about 250 of the opposition students (many from other universities) went straight to the Central University of Venezuela (UCV) to the School of Social Work which is a stronghold of revolutionary students inside UCV.
There, a group of revolutionary students was campaigning for a yes vote in the referendum. They had an assembly for students/teachers/non-teaching staff in the morning and were putting up posters and giving out leaflets.
They were then attacked by the opposition students who surrounded the School. Molotov cocktails and stones were thrown, the toilets were destroyed, the door of the Students Centre (Bolivarian dominated) was burned down, and around 150 people (students, teachers and non-teaching staff) were trapped inside the building for several hours, with the violent opposition students trying to force their way into the building to lynch them. |
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/2818 |
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| pmoisse |
Where can I buy this Hugo Chavez watch that these thread titles keep talking about?
Two threads and no watches?!?!?
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by pmoisse
Where can I buy this Hugo Chavez watch that these thread titles keep talking about?
Two threads and no watches?!?!?
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| pmoisse |
| Excellent, thank you :) |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
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How do you feel now, knowing the truth, that in fact it was the opposition that caused this riot? |
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