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Largest Scientific Experiment Ever Almost Complete (pg. 3)
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| Zild |
| They don't really appear in two places. If you shoot a mass of electrons through through the slits it gives you you a pattern with dark and bright alternating bands. At first it was thought this happened because the electron particles were interacting with each other. Later the experiment was done with a single stream of electrons, but the same pattern showed up. The only way that could happen is if the electrons are in two places at the same time or if they are behaving like a wave instead of a particle. Using the mathematics of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and wave functions it is trivial to show that these particles behave as waves. It is however impossible to show that they can be in the same place at two times. Simple right? |
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| zoogla |
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| Zild |
| I've had enough nerding it up for today. I'm going to get a beer. Then I'm going to chemistry class. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
I've had enough nerding it up for today. I'm going to get a grape Crush and some Cheetos. Then I'm going to chemistry class. |
Corrected :toothless |
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| Zild |
| That sounds disgusting. I'll stick to beer and limesalt. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
That sounds disgusting. I'll stick to beer and limesalt. |
lol those are staple nerd foods. :clown: followed by some Reese's Peanut Butter Cups ;) |
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| Zild |
| Reese's rocks! But those other ones aren't very good. |
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| pmoisse |
| quote: | Originally posted by Capitalizt
These s are going to create a black hole and kill us all. |
This thing is in France and Switzerland, right?
It's going to get the French to go back to work :) |
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| SuspicionVandit |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_M
It's about to be turned on in May 2008. No ? The Large Hadron Collider is massively complex. The project has already seen many delays. I wouldn't be surprised if it got delayed further.
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the link doesn't work. |
yes, may 2008, and yes, been delayed many many times.
my question is:
is it possible that the equipment+particles are traveling so fast that they gain enough mass (as an object's speed nears the speed of light, it gains tremendous mass) to fall into the earth? I've read this scenario elsewhere, but I don't remember if it was an expert's quotation or just a random person pondering.
They said it could fall directly through the earth and shoot out the other side, or
1/fall through the earth into the core
2/fall into the earth and oscillate around the core's gravity until poof
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/collection/Photos
some insanely hi-res pictures showing off the epic scale of the equipment |
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| Capitalizt |
| quote: | Originally posted by SuspicionVandit
yes, may 2008, and yes, been delayed many many times.
my question is:
is it possible that the equipment+particles are traveling so fast that they gain enough mass (as an object's speed nears the speed of light, it gains tremendous mass) to fall into the earth? |
Nah...You are right though...the mass does increase tremendously as objects near the speed of light. But remember what we are talking about here...tiny things the size of atoms. Even if an atom increased in mass by a factor of one billion, it would still weigh less than a ping pong ball. ;) |
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| British |
first up, just curious, is this classified as chemistry talk of physics? id say physics but thats cause i did this sorta stuff in phys at school an not in chem.
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
They don't really appear in two places. If you shoot a mass of electrons through through the slits it gives you you a pattern with dark and bright alternating bands. At first it was thought this happened because the electron particles were interacting with each other. Later the experiment was done with a single stream of electrons, but the same pattern showed up. The only way that could happen is if the electrons are in two places at the same time or if they are behaving like a wave instead of a particle. Using the mathematics of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and wave functions it is trivial to show that these particles behave as waves. It is however impossible to show that they can be in the same place at two times. Simple right? |
That may be true, but in physics according to the thought experiment Schrödinger's cat it can be.
Or at least thats my understanding of it.
or does it specifically refer to the state of the particle, possibility of position, and not the particle 'being' in two positions?
And last time i checked there was no counter-proof to his hypothesis.
Does a particle (or body for that matter) at light speed have infinite mass, or just very big?
Back to the original experiment. I wonder what kind of safety measures they have taken for this, from what i know couldnt it 'stabilize' and cause SERIOUS issues? I mean do they have any idea how to stop a black hole?
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