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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr.Guru
Ok, for those who have heard, Gamemaster by lost tribe, also in Paul Oakenfold`s Cd, tranceport.
Do you like this version or Kristoff`s version of gamemaster better.
I`m deciding which i like better
hmm
Help me decide |
I don't know, but I love gamemaster in any form. Tranceport is one of my all time favs. Anyone heard Oakenfold's Travelling? |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SMC
Now you sound like that AustralianGQ retard. :( |
Yeah well you just won't admit it's true, that this forum's title is misleading as trance discussion, esp anything new and relating to Armin, ASOT or Above & Beyond is shunned. If guys like AustralianGQ and others were not on this forum, you would think trance is dead, a genre only around in either the early/mid 90s or the later 90s and early 2000s, just a passing 90s fad...when it's really not. Sure it's not what it used to be, but some of you guys make it out to be like it is dead, so why bother calling this forum "tranceaddict" if you can't actually discuss trance? As in modern trance, not just older stuff (which is fine, but it's good to hear something new, search around on Beatport and I am sure there will be some newer releases worth considering, i've found some).
This is just the oddest forum, and false advertising if you ask me, esp for those want to discuss trance (other than psy/prog-psy or old school). Another one of my great analogies to this forum would be a hockey forum (general) where all the guys talk about the greats back in the day and don't talk about any of the modern players who are just as good if not better...they might like old school hockey but hate anything modern (so do they really even like hockey then or just nostalgia?). Same with this forum..do you really like trance or just nostalgia for the tracks back in the day, which are great...but what about anything new? Bothered to look? Like I said, it's harder to find, but it's not to say they aren't there...I don't listen to ASOT, but I'm sure there are SOME decent tracks played on there, not just vocal-trance/big epic-anthem breakdown trance... |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Yeah well you just won't admit it's true, that this forum's title is misleading as trance discussion, esp anything new and relating to Armin, ASOT or Above & Beyond is shunned. If guys like AustralianGQ and others were not on this forum, you would think trance is dead, a genre only around in either the early/mid 90s or the later 90s and early 2000s, just a passing 90s fad...when it's really not. Sure it's not what it used to be, but some of you guys make it out to be like it is dead, so why bother calling this forum "tranceaddict" if you can't actually discuss trance? As in modern trance, not just older stuff (which is fine, but it's good to hear something new, search around on Beatport and I am sure there will be some newer releases worth considering, i've found some).
This is just the oddest forum, and false advertising if you ask me, esp for those want to discuss trance (other than psy/prog-psy or old school). Another one of my great analogies to this forum would be a hockey forum (general) where all the guys talk about the greats back in the day and don't talk about any of the modern players who are just as good if not better...they might like old school hockey but hate anything modern (so do they really even like hockey then or just nostalgia?). Same with this forum..do you really like trance or just nostalgia for the tracks back in the day, which are great...but what about anything new? Bothered to look? Like I said, it's harder to find, but it's not to say they aren't there...I don't listen to ASOT, but I'm sure there are SOME decent tracks played on there, not just vocal-trance/big epic-anthem breakdown trance... |
you aren't paying attention to those releases which are recogniced as new and good. Such as Miika Kuismas album. A good example of a new trance release which is sweet (and not prog/psy!).
Sure there are not many compared to a few years ago but there are gems released now and then. Beetseekers album was also really nice and the stuff which Nicholas Bennison put out lately are great as well. |
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| SMC |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
Yeah well you just won't admit it's true, that this forum's title is misleading as trance discussion, esp anything new and relating to Armin, ASOT or Above & Beyond is shunned. If guys like AustralianGQ and others were not on this forum, you would think trance is dead, a genre only around in either the early/mid 90s or the later 90s and early 2000s, just a passing 90s fad...when it's really not. Sure it's not what it used to be, but some of you guys make it out to be like it is dead, so why bother calling this forum "tranceaddict" if you can't actually discuss trance? As in modern trance, not just older stuff (which is fine, but it's good to hear something new, search around on Beatport and I am sure there will be some newer releases worth considering, i've found some).
This is just the oddest forum, and false advertising if you ask me, esp for those want to discuss trance (other than psy/prog-psy or old school). Another one of my great analogies to this forum would be a hockey forum (general) where all the guys talk about the greats back in the day and don't talk about any of the modern players who are just as good if not better...they might like old school hockey but hate anything modern (so do they really even like hockey then or just nostalgia?). Same with this forum..do you really like trance or just nostalgia for the tracks back in the day, which are great...but what about anything new? Bothered to look? Like I said, it's harder to find, but it's not to say they aren't there...I don't listen to ASOT, but I'm sure there are SOME decent tracks played on there, not just vocal-trance/big epic-anthem breakdown trance... |
If i had to take "tranceaddict" literally i would say it's a highly appropriate name for this forum. ASOT/ASNOT/WHATEVEROT are like an incredibly bad fix for someone who's truly addicted to proper trance. A person with a coke problem will not be very satisfied when supplied with a bag of powdered sugar. Now, enough with the allegories. It's just a name.
Also trance does not equal everything being marketed or falsely labeled as trance. If you say "tranceaddict" is a misleading name for this forum just because people don't like asot then i say you don't like trance unless you listen to Cascada and Pulsedriver, they're featured on countless "trance" compilations i'm sure.
Like others have said there is always some material being released that could be considered "alternative" in trance today and that quite a few people here appreciate. Some albums, some compilations and quite a few single releases. The number isn't overwhelming but that's not really a problem if you ask me, i don't expect there to be a 100 new mindless tunes churned out every week and featured on my favorite dj idol's radio show. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SMC
If i had to take "tranceaddict" literally i would say it's a highly appropriate name for this forum. ASOT/ASNOT/WHATEVEROT are like an incredibly bad fix for someone who's truly addicted to proper trance. A person with a coke problem will not be very satisfied when supplied with a bag of powdered sugar. Now, enough with the allegories. It's just a name.
Also trance does not equal everything being marketed or falsely labeled as trance. If you say "tranceaddict" is a misleading name for this forum just because people don't like asot then i say you don't like trance unless you listen to Cascada and Pulsedriver, they're featured on countless "trance" compilations i'm sure.
Like others have said there is always some material being released that could be considered "alternative" in trance today and that quite a few people here appreciate. Some albums, some compilations and quite a few single releases. The number isn't overwhelming but that's not really a problem if you ask me, i don't expect there to be a 100 new mindless tunes churned out every week and featured on my favorite dj idol's radio show. |
Okay well to most people who listen to ASOT, that is trance. Armin van Buuren is well regarded as a trance DJ, even if not everything he plays is "proper trance" in your definition. Proper trance to some people is what they like, and what they don't like isn't proper trance, but that's not Cascada or Pulsedriver, I can agree, that is definitely not proper trance, heck it's barely even "epic trance" which Armin has a tendency to play (mixed in with tech trance and vocal progressive trance/house if you will).
You guys act like there's such a narrow definition of trance "it must sound like this, it must sound like that". Epic trance..you know the melodic stuff with breakdowns, build ups and such...you guys insist that it is not trance, but heck it's a TYPE OF TRANCE even though it's not exactly like the old school sounding stuff...but there's still influence from the older melodic music (Cosmic Baby's music as an example, it had breakdowns, build ups, melodies..not as grandiose but it was still there). Just because you guys don't like anthemic or "epic" trance doesn't mean to others that it's not trance. It's like calling what someone likes "not rock" because it doesn't sound like 50s or 60s rock. The rock sound grew out from the 50s to 60s and then in the 70s and 80s.
Epic trance is like the big grandiose "stadium" or "arena" rock from the 70s and 80s...you know Bon Jovi, Foreigner, Boston, heck even Iron Maiden. What you guys refer to is more like the older rock....either Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane..or even the older stuff like Chuck Barry, Buddy Holly, Bill Halley, etc. All are rock, but just different types of rock. So is the "epic" stuff that is almost always labeled as trance and played by trance DJs.
Now saying they aren't playing trance is misleading in and of itself, because well regarded trance DJs who play this stuff even think what it is..is trance. You don't hear them playing this old music..they play modern stuff (and no, not every track they play has this huge breakdown...esp when they mix prog, electro, whatever it is..take Ferry Corsten as an example). Why can't people just talk about what they like? Why is epic trance shunned on here by you guys? It's been the most popular and well known form of trance. Almost any definition of trance music (EDM trance that is) will say that trance is a type of dance music that builds and has breakdowns, with elements being layered and added throughout a track.
You'll also see "psy trance" in a different catagory..labeled "psy trance". Go on Beatport, you have "trance" and "psy trance", other sites do the same thing...it's in a different catagory. Both trance, but there are some stark differences (noteably psy being often faster, heavier and more "hypnotic", non psy trance being more melodic, a little slower, and more "euphoric", just go to each and listen to the tracks and the difference is there)/ I've been saying this for years, you guys just insist that this music is the catalyst for putting you in a trance...so rock should rock you? house should house you? it's just a label. There's plenty of music that could put you in a trance, as discussed on here, but it's not "trance" music. Psy trance has it's own DJs, own culture, so does Epic and Progressive Trance, and sure they overlap (like with prog-psy right now) but they aren't all the same or should be. |
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| SMC |
Are you finished? :disbelief
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
You guys act like there's such a narrow definition of trance "it must sound like this, it must sound like that". Epic trance..you know the melodic stuff with breakdowns, build ups and such...you guys insist that it is not trance, but heck it's a TYPE OF TRANCE even though it's not exactly like the old school sounding stuff...but there's still influence from the older melodic music (Cosmic Baby's music as an example, it had breakdowns, build ups, melodies..not as grandiose but it was still there). Just because you guys don't like anthemic or "epic" trance doesn't mean to others that it's not trance. It's like calling what someone likes "not rock" because it doesn't sound like 50s or 60s rock. The rock sound grew out from the 50s to 60s and then in the 70s and 80s.
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I'm not saying it isn't part of the trance family, i'm just saying you can very much like trance without being a fanatic of melodic/uplifting/epic and the current trends within that scene.
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You'll also see "psy trance" in a different catagory..labeled "psy trance". Go on Beatport, you have "trance" and "psy trance", other sites do the same thing...it's in a different catagory. Both trance, but there are some stark differences (noteably psy being often faster, heavier and more "hypnotic", non psy trance being more melodic, a little slower, and more "euphoric", just go to each and listen to the tracks and the difference is there)/ I've been saying this for years, you guys just insist that this music is the catalyst for putting you in a trance...so rock should rock you? house should house you? it's just a label. There's plenty of music that could put you in a trance, as discussed on here, but it's not "trance" music. Psy trance has it's own DJs, own culture, so does Epic and Progressive Trance, and sure they overlap (like with prog-psy right now) but they aren't all the same or should be. |
Since when is beatport an authority on anything?
And why do you bring this thing up with literally being put in a trance etc? That's all bull. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SMC
Are you finished? :disbelief
I'm not saying it isn't part of the trance family, i'm just saying you can very much like trance without being a fanatic of melodic/uplifting/epic and the current trends within that scene.
Since when is beatport an authority on anything?
And why do you bring this thing up with literally being put in a trance etc? That's all bull. |
Yes I am finished, but I've been arguing with you guys on here for years now (I've been on here since 2005, it all started then and still continues to this day). No you don't have to be a fanatic of melodic/uplifting/epic to like trance, there's less melodic trance and less "epic" sounding stuff out there, but typically..this has been what most people associate trance (non-psy) with being, because that's what most trance is...melodic, fast dance music..one of the most melodic types of dance music.
Beatport is not an authority, no, but you will find psy trance in a seperate catagory on a lot of other digital download AND online vinyl shops. They do that, because Psy Trance and regular non-psy trance are different. They have some similarities, being maybe some kickdrums, basslines, melodies etc, but the scenes are different.
And why I bring up literally put you in a trance, people like Rebel9 and Ishkur of course and others on here always argue that "trance is not trance unless it PUTS YOU IN A TRANCE", does trance really do this? Can other forms of music do the same? Yes, a lot of dance music is repetitive, and even hypnotic (listen to techno, there's plenty of hypnotic, trance like, repetitive music) but trance music is just music as it's stated..you get lost in it, it's euphoric, it is hypnotic (but it doesn't have to literally put you in a trance). I've argued this for years, but it's the EXPERIENCE of the music, not the music in and of itself. I've argued there's other music that is even more "Trance" music than what you hear in EDM-Trance, but it's not labeled "trance" because it's not EDM..it's more new age or tribal, but it's certaintly hypnotic..trance inducing music (sometimes used in hypno-therapy). |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
you aren't paying attention to those releases which are recogniced as new and good. Such as Miika Kuismas album. A good example of a new trance release which is sweet (and not prog/psy!).
Sure there are not many compared to a few years ago but there are gems released now and then. Beetseekers album was also really nice and the stuff which Nicholas Bennison put out lately are great as well. |
I like Miika Kuismas new album, but what makes him different than other trance artists? I listened to many of the tracks and they sound a lot like other melodic trance out there. Maybe a little better done than some of the cheap, amateurish stuff out there, but certainly it's still melodic trance. I like his style, and I like music like his style, because I like melodic trance and melodic trance is TRANCE and most trance you'll find is MELODIC, because trance music is a more melodic form of dance music (and no not every track has a noticeable or bombastic melody, but even some without one still have some subtle one or some type of sound that carries the track). Even tech and hard trance has melodies, and some psy trance, like morning psy that you like. |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spirit5
I like Miika Kuismas new album, but what makes him different than other trance artists? |
Because he produce quality melodic. You still seem to believe that I'm on a holy crusade against melodic trance. Those who knows me know that I am a big fan of melodic trance. Heck even my mix in my sig proves that with literally every tune being melodic. But there is difference between quality melodic trance (such as Miika) and shallow massproduced garbage (such as the majority of the stuff from Anjunabeats and Armada). Besides I've never said that melodic trance isn't trance. Even the earlier trance tracks had melodies. I am just saying that there is difference between a trance track with melodies and one with 3 minute breaks and slapped on vocals by some jerky diva. That is poptrance. And should be labelled poptrance since it caters for a pop audience. |
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| Spirit5 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RebeL9
Because he produce quality melodic. You still seem to believe that I'm on a holy crusade against melodic trance. Those who knows me know that I am a big fan of melodic trance. Heck even my mix in my sig proves that with literally every tune being melodic. But there is difference between quality melodic trance (such as Miika) and shallow massproduced garbage (such as the majority of the stuff from Anjunabeats and Armada). Besides I've never said that melodic trance isn't trance. Even the earlier trance tracks had melodies. I am just saying that there is difference between a trance track with melodies and one with 3 minute breaks and slapped on vocals by some jerky diva. That is poptrance. And should be labelled poptrance since it caters for a pop audience. |
Uh I can understand but not every Anjunabeats or even Armada release has what your talking about (3 minute breakdowns). Anjunabeats even has a label called "AnjunaDeep" which does release prog house and prog trance. And Armada's sister label "Electronic Elements" does not have big epic trancers..it's more more like melodic or "deep" progressive. I think you guys sometimes exaggerate. I'm not a huge fan of every Anjunabeats or Armada release, but I do think sometimes you guys have this hostility towards it.
Now what about old Anjunabeats tracks..Tranquility Base - Razorfish, Surrender, Getting Away....Aalto - Rush (Super8 vs. Orkidea Remix), Matt Hardwick vs Smith & Pledger - Day One (Above & Beyond's Big Room Mix) and the like..that's pop trance?
I don't doubt that Oceanlab, Above & Beyond's album stuff, and some others is "pop trance" and certaintly even the instrumental stuff is "mainstream" but what makes it "not quality" or any different than what Miika Kuisisma makes? His tracks are played a long side release from these other labels...and certaintly there's plenty of good melodic trance on Subtraxx Records. I don't really think most Anjunabeats releases are "amateurish", does mainstream automatically mean "not quality"?.
Miika has some vocal tracks on his CD...what makes them different from say Smith & Pledger's "Forever"? Catchiness? maybe, poor quality? That's subjective, but Anjunabeats really isn't one of these digital only labels releasing stuff from any bedroom producer or 17 year old kid out there. Many of them are pretty well known in the scene and are not noted for making cheap, poor quality tracks. Does poor quality mean any track you particularly don't like?
I don't like the male vocal stuff, it bugs me, I am not even a huge fan of of a lot of the female singing trance stuff being released (I prefer instrumental), but does that necessarily make them poor quality? What i've been trying to get at (like I did in that thread with Tiesto's "Traffic") is what in your definition is a crappy/ty or poor quality track? What makes a track that way? Is there some objective, established criteria for judging a track's quality? I just judge it on how it sounds...is the melody musical/sound good? Does the bassline and kickdrum and all the elements mesh together well in the track? |
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| Zharen |
| Signum mix all the way for me. Original a close 2nd. |
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