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What does "over-produced' mean to you? (pg. 2)
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| sterilis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jono404
Overproduced to me is like that brand of trance you hear alot with too much going on at once so you can't hear the kick and it's all wishy washy. I can't think of an example, but a lot of uplifting trance is like this. |
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| Floorfiller |
| i'm with those that said something similar to trying to do too much in one track to the point of it ruining everything. |
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| wrzonance |
| too much limiting/compression |
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| Beyer |
| IMO overproducing hS nothing to do with effects like compression, limiting etc.. It has to do with over stuffed tracks with way too much stuff going on. Not necessarily at the same time, but every single second there's sounds coming in, variations of the melody etc. Listen to some cradle of filth and you will understand what I mean. :p Music so filled with information you get tired of listening to quickly. |
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| derail |
Overproduced is something I've never heard applied to trance music.
As a few other people have mentioned, overproduced applies to genres where production isn't of primary importance (maybe that's the wrong word...primary...but to my ears, trance is hugely about production, whereas rock isn't)
For example, Nirvana's "Nevermind" could well be seen as overproduced - it's this slick, great sounding album, quite different to Steve Albini's approach on "In Utero", which sounds much more like a "true Nirvana sound" - much rawer, live sounding and so on. I actually preferred "Nevermind", but that could be because it had more classic songs on it. Cobain knew how to write catchy songs, that's for sure. You can play them with a cheap acoustic and sing them and they still sound amazing.
In trance, there is no liveness, no rawness to overproduce. You can overcompress things, you can over-sidechain-pump things, you can clutter it up with too many elements, you can over-cheese it, you can go overly-crazy-technical (squarepusher -though that's not trance, BT -though a lot of his stuff is also not trance), but over-produce? I don't see how that's possible in trance.
(edit - hmm - just reading what I wrote - yeah, a lot of those things are "producing" as such, but I usually mention them directly - "the track's too busy". "overproduced" by itself means nothing to me in trance) |
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| wrzonance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beyer
IMO overproducing hS nothing to do with effects like compression, limiting etc.. It has to do with over stuffed tracks with way too much stuff going on. |
Sure. Anything that tries to do too much is overproduction. |
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| Zild |
| Overproduced in the EDM sense I suppose is when you spend an exorbitant amount of time attempting to polish a turd. |
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| Sanguis Mortuum |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
a track that is so technical it has lost its soul. |
Yes. |
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| Infinit |
I don't know guys, I keep hearing all these descriptions about technical/complex productions being crap...but the first artists that springs to mind for me is Autechre or Aphex Twin. say what you will, they are far more original and cutting edge that most of the EDM artists out there that any of us could name imo. they're simply on another level.
sure you may not have a taste for that style of music, but that doesn't mean its not as 'good' as a stripped down progressive song or whatever genre it is that you put on your personal pedestal. |
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| phyrrus |
I've never heard anyone use the word overproduce, but I've often thought about this in terms of bands that are meant to play live. seems like rock these days is bordering further and further on electronica, with bands like LCD Soundsystem, TV on the Radio, Massive Attack, Portishead, Muse, Radiohead, Nine Inch Nails, etc.
for those who have heard them, I think TV on the Radio is an interesting example of this, because all of their songs are processed to sound exactly the way they sound, and you really cant reproduce the same sound live. so, all of their live songs sound entirely different from their albums.
personally, I think people who find ways to bridge the gap between rock and electronic music will be defining a new era of music, as bands like the previously mentioned have been doing for quite some time. why do you think Radiohead is so popular? |
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| Internet TufGai |
Overproduced tracks have no soul sometimes. I don't think anyone here is going to disagree that a great SOUND is good, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good SONG.
Songs that pretty much say "lol look at deez trix i can do" pretty much suck because all they are are tricks, nothing more nothing less. |
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| catinthehat |
| masking the musicality of a track with technical grandstanding |
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