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Agony and Ecstasy - Washington Post Cover Story Nov-25-07 (pg. 2)
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| TheVrk |
Wow def an intriguing read...
I've NEVER read a post nearly as long as that one, but it was def worth it.
I'm sure all of us here can relate/agree in some way coz we all know how frigken good it makes us feel...
The pure positivity and happiness it invokes really is remarkable when u REALLY think about IT (mdma), and not the excess party that comes with it...
Especially great if it can, and i truly believe it can and does, help sufferers of PTSD.
We can only imagine what kind of anguish the ppl who suffer from PTSD endure.
I'm sure they'd be willing to try ANYTHING to rid them of their fears and torture.
Great share RJ:) |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheVrk
I'm sure all of us here can relate/agree in some way coz we all know how frigken good it makes us feel...
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don't generalize please :) |
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| _EuG_ |
Great read.
I just want to thank Rick Doblin for dedicating his life to the idea that every individual should be able to make a rational decision about what experiences they prefer to have, We make our choice, not the government.
-Rick Doblin is the president and founder of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). Born November 30, 1953, he obtained a psychology degree from New College of Florida in 1987 and later earned a doctorate in public policy from the Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University. He organized MAPS in 1986 with the goal of making MDMA (or Ecstasy) an FDA-approved medicine, and occasionally has been interviewed by TV and print reporters in reference to the drug. Doblin also has served on the board of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws since 1996.
-Wikipedia |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
don't generalize please :) |
Yeah, we get it, you don't do it :)
And by most in this thread, he probably assumed that anyone posting, and actually considering the article, would have some sort of understanding towards it.
Anyways, a really lengthy read, but worth it. I'm kind of not in favour of psychadelic drugs being used as treatment of any sort of mental disorder. Reading studies like this is great, but really there's not much to it that is of any substance. I've read many proponents of ecstacy stating that long time users typically use other drugs as well, and that influences studies. However, in controlled tests such as the one outlined above, it seems pretty obvious that the exact same situation can be applied; many of these people have had YEARS of commercial drug therapy prior to trying MDMA.
Further, it can be argued that a mind that refuses to fight for itself just cannot fight at all. Chemically inducing a state of awareness that the user would be too traumatized to deal with on their own seems like a brute-force attack to get to some results, IMO. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
don't generalize please :) |
"Look at me! Look at me!" |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
And by most in this thread, he probably assumed that anyone posting, and actually considering the article, would have some sort of understanding towards it. |
lol
I actually took time to read over it yesterday, it's a very interesting read, should only people doing it read it?
just no need to say that EVERYONE knows how great it is, because not everyone needs it to feel great/happy/euphoric/to appreciate the music :)
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
"Look at me! Look at me!" |
:rolleyes:
whatev. |
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| zokissima |
| quote: | Originally posted by FunkyCrew
lol
I actually took time to read over it yesterday, it's a very interesting read, should only people doing it read it?
just no need to say that EVERYONE knows how great it is, because not everyone needs it to feel great/happy/euphoric/to appreciate the music :)
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No no, I wasn't implying that only people who had done it should read it at all :)
I'm actually curious, what are your opinions of the article, its legal and therapeutic implications, considering you haven't dropped?
Depending on your answer, that is where the 'everyone who's done it' argument may make a difference, although even with that, I've stated that its therapeutic value is still questionable, IMO :p |
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| FunkyCrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by zokissima
No no, I wasn't implying that only people who had done it should read it at all :)
I'm actually curious, what are your opinions of the article, its legal and therapeutic implications, considering you haven't dropped?
Depending on your answer, that is where the 'everyone who's done it' argument may make a difference, although even with that, I've stated that its therapeutic value is still questionable, IMO :p |
Honestly, if it helps and eases the suffering (be it pain, or severe depression), why not? I'm pretty sure there are vast amounts of medical drugs, that are still considered experimental (not approved by FDA) which patients are willing to try (cancer patients for example).
If something like ecstasy can either ease and compliment treatements for non-terminal patients, or ease and make somewhat manageable lives of terminal patients and their families, then it's something that doctor's should look into
I don't want to bring in the argument of recreational use of ecstasy in, because it's not really the point here, but from the experimental/medical standpoint, I'm for it |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by _EuG_
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he looks on it right now |
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| RobotHouse |
Hi I'm George Zimmer, Founder, Chairman of the Board and CEO of Men's Wearhouse. I endorse the use of ecstasy and all psychedelic drugs. You're going to like the way you feel. I guarantee it. |
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| kabelicious |
Thank you for the article RJ.
Trust me when I say that the options for treating PTSD are severely limited. I was diagnosed with PTSD this past summer - it is perhaps the most daunting thing I have ever faced. Mine is in relation to driving which is an essential part of life if you want to work in a country where public transportation is virtually non-existent or unreliable.
The options I've been given have ranged everywhere from heavy medication (which cannot be used while driving) to more "hippie" methods such as undergoing mild hypnosis to piece by piece go through the incidents that triggered the PTSD.
If MDMA were a viable option, believe me, I'd take my doctor up on it. I feel absolutely helpless in the face of this condition and I am not someone accustomed to feeling weak or out of control. Hopefully, if folks such as this keep pushing the envelope to get new mehtodology, regardless of previous banning, enabled, there will be more options than medication which never seems to cure anything other than hide it better. |
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| Elendil |
| Unfortunately, the 60's did a lot of harm to psychedelic research - most of which was proving incredibly successful. However, time has passed, and borders to research are slowly being lifted, and this is one of the most positive steps for man and psychology that could be imaginable. Psychedelics have such incredible power to be used as a tool for good, rather than to be demonized, as they have been, by fear-mongers and the ignorant. |
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