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Producers trying to DJ (pg. 2)
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| Zild |
| Even if you kiss ass in the local scene and get bookings left and right it will still get you nowhere compared to producing a popular song. |
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| Paradox Lost |
I think there's been an understanding for some time that being a popular/successful DJ doesn't necessarily require that one actually be a good DJ, or carve out a name for themselves via DJ'ing.
I'm with you regarding that competency at one does not thereby mean competency at the other, and that this golden ticket to DJ stardom via successful productions appears to be on the rise as of late, but that's not at all distant from what's already been going on over the past several years.
However, I doubt that most of these rising stars suddenly made the decision to step behind the decks the moment their productions became championed by major headliners, as it's not uncommon for them to already have accumulated a decent amount of past DJ experience. Nevertheless, if you're good at one, getting involved in the other is a sure way to generate popularity for yourself.
I'm in total agreement with you regarding constructing mixes that consist largely of one's own productions. There's nothing wrong with integrating a little PR plug for yourself every now and again, provided it is thoughtfully and tastefully executed, but there are a number of DJ's out there who essentially inundate their sets with their own productions, which I just find completely obnoxious. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by LionsLair
Nothing wrong with producers becoming DJ's. If anyone knows what a crowd needs, its a producer. Producers have good taste in music usually. Some of the most successful DJ's are producers as well, it goes both ways really. |
I think you're on to the right idea. But let's make a distinction...
Producers are NOT musicians. Producers are technicians. A crowd needs a musician, an entertainer. Good musicians make good deejays and good producers as well. Good entertainers can make drama, can captivate an audience, can tell a story.
Good musicians have good taste in music. Producers know how to make the sound of water dripping in reason.
I feel that deejaying and making music can go hand in hand very easily. Having played crowds before with other people's music gives you an intuitive feel for what a track needs to have to get the right effect on a dancefloor. Producing gives a DJ a better taste in music, more attention to detail in the mix, a structural understanding of his/her tracks.
@Zild - Thanks :) |
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| djsphere |
| best djs in the world are producers. and this is how it should be. i don't see why anyone would be bothered by producers that also dj. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by djsphere
best djs in the world are producers. and this is how it should be. i don't see why anyone would be bothered by producers that also dj. |
what bothers people here is not that producers dj, but that producers dj only as a means of promotion while they really suck at deejaying and essentially give ipod concerts of their own tracks
also, who do you feel are the best deejays in the world? |
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| djsphere |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
what bothers people here is not that producers dj, but that producers dj only as a means of promotion while they really suck at deejaying and essentially give ipod concerts of their own tracks
also, who do you feel are the best deejays in the world? |
let me put it in other words....most popular? |
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| Alex |
Ya let me set something straight.
I'm not referring to DJs that also produce, IE: Sasha/Digweed/Yadayada. (To name some big names).
I am referring specifically to new and hot producers that the "masses" have never really heard of DJ wise, suddenly ting out DJ sets and appearing as guests on radio shows/popping up in clubs all of a sudden. And even more specifically I'm referring to those ones that absolutely suck at DJ'ing and treat the DJ aspect with little to no respect in comparison to the time and effort they put into their productions. (And yet people claim they are great DJs even though they base that opinion purely on their productions, which is beyond moronic). |
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| djsphere |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Ya let me set something straight.
I'm not referring to DJs that also produce, IE: Sasha/Digweed/Yadayada. (To name some big names).
I am referring specifically to new and hot producers that the "masses" have never really heard of DJ wise, suddenly ting out DJ sets and appearing as guests on radio shows/popping up in clubs all of a sudden. And even more specifically I'm referring to those ones that absolutely suck at DJ'ing and treat the DJ aspect with little to no respect in comparison to the time and effort they put into their productions. (And yet people claim they are great DJs even though they base that opinion purely on their productions, which is beyond moronic). |
maybe the lack of experience in djing, or lack of talent.
not everybody can be an outstanding dj. |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by djsphere
maybe the lack of experience in djing, or lack of talent.
not everybody can be an outstanding dj. |
...That's my point... |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Alex
Ya let me set something straight.
I'm not referring to DJs that also produce, IE: Sasha/Digweed/Yadayada. (To name some big names).
I am referring specifically to new and hot producers that the "masses" have never really heard of DJ wise, suddenly ting out DJ sets and appearing as guests on radio shows/popping up in clubs all of a sudden. And even more specifically I'm referring to those ones that absolutely suck at DJ'ing and treat the DJ aspect with little to no respect in comparison to the time and effort they put into their productions. (And yet people claim they are great DJs even though they base that opinion purely on their productions, which is beyond moronic). |
Ah, yes. The Bennasi Factor. |
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| djdk |
I havent got time to read the whole thread cos its friday night and i really should be getting drunk so apologies if this has already been said...
Theres a big problem with promoters booking producers without any idea if they are good djs/are djs/know how to turn on a deck etc. A good friend of mine has started getting quite alot of recognition for his productions, getting releases on some big labels and has had at least three offers opf gigs from people who have never heard a set from him. Now luckily hes actually a really good dj, but the point is these people who are booking him dont know this, dont know what style he plays or whether it fits in with their night, theyre just assuming from his productions.
Now theyre offering him a decent amount of money to do these gigs, and Im sure this is the same for a lot of producers, surely there comes a point where you say, this, im gonna take the cash. |
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| seneca |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zild
Even if you kiss ass in the local scene and get bookings left and right it will still get you nowhere compared to producing a popular song. |
Eddie Halliwell? He hasn't produced much of anything and is pretty popular around the world based on his skills.
Also something to keep in mind is that when these producers are booked by promoters or nightclubs, their way of "performing" is by DJing. That's something I always explain to noobs in the scene that think the DJ is "making" the music as they play.
There are select few producers that actually set up synths, drums, etc to perform when they are booked but the majority of up and coming producers will have to play DJ sets for their "performance". |
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