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| Bear4569 |
a good part to bring in the next track? Do you start at the beginning of the next track, do you start it at the buildup? What is your opinion on the matter?
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| DJ-Kuza |
Depends on the energy of both tracks and the crowd. You don't want to slow down in an intro when you have a track that's pumping.
I think it should depend on where your outgoing track is, like if it's on a downward 32 beat cycle and you want to mix in on the 32nd beat of that, then you should be in the start of a 32 beat upward cycle from the new track. This way it's like one big song.
Or you can do what most hard house DJs do and just slam it in with both tracks pumping and not worry about it :) |
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| DJ LIQUID |
thats a good question :)
ive generally bein starting at the beginning of the track.......but ive noticed many other dj's and how they dont start at the beginning.......which led me to question they way i was mixing. i think im going to start mixing it up some :) |
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| Bear4569 |
The way that I have been doin it is sometimes startin at the beginning of a track, and sometimes I will start just before the buildup. I know it's hard to say cause every track is different and they get mixed differently. But I try and try and it still doesn't sound good. I guess my biggest issue is the fact that when I bring in the incoming track, must of the time can tell it's there. I have tried some many times to play around and figure out what tracks go good together and it still doesn't seem to work. So I dunno, any input of the matter, let me know
Peace:p |
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| oDrori |
Just like is some rate or sort of formula to Trance (or not), there is the simple, right, fitting... whatever, spot to start playing th incoming CD.
I suggest that on your few first Trance nights you use this if possible, mixin ussually works that way:
Allright, so your typical track has a peak or two, the idea is to count 8 bars after the burst-in of the final one, then press play/ start spining. This way most tracks will have an even energy flow (The incoming track's rising NRG will recover for the loss of the outgoing one's) and basically structure fits. This is a pretty safe way in MOST tracks (Still, KNOW YOUR MUSIC!).
In some parties, usually for the masses, the long club versions of 8 mins etc. get cut in the part between the 2 peaks because the organizers need the stupid sheep to be happy and want to play as many tracks as possible, though sometimes also crowds get bored if U don't switch track in 6 mins. (In Israel they do the Cut-The-Track-Between-The-2-Peaks thing a LOT)
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About when to bring in next track, that depends a lot because some tracks begin with a kick, or start with the action starting to build, or a long intro. This is tougher. again, the safe way is to start where the kick starts. After a while, you get some experience and along with extensinve knowledge of your tunes, you start designing your own original ways to mix. |
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| Bear4569 |
Well oDrori, everything you said I do already, and I think that's a good thing. It's good to know that somebody who is better than me mixes the same way that I do, well I should say I mix like you do. I've been workin alot of getting better, but I think right now the reason that I'm not doin good is because I can already mix everything I have and it has gotten to the point were if I don't do it perfect or near perfect(in my eyes) I get pissed. Oh well
Peace:p |
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| Kid_Lax |
a little trick i use is ill cue the record im going to mix in (Record B) from the beginning and let it go at the end of the live record's buildup (Record A)
so ill beatmatch then whatever...and ill see when record B starts progressive into melody and whatnot (in the headphones), and ill see when record A's melody finishes
so here's an example
lets say record A's melody lasted 128 beats after the first buildup
and record b was just intro until 64 beats in, and that's when the melody starts kicking in...
well i'd cue record b back to the beginning and at the second buildup of record a (remember its playing live) i would count 64 beats in then cue record b
so more than likely...record a's melody is just ending as record b's starts building up (because in a lot of cases...the melodies will be the same length during the first and second buildup)
this is probably really confusing...read through it a few times if you do'nt understand...pm me if im an idiot and it doesn't make sense ;)
*note* this only applies to records with 2 buildups :p |
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| Bear4569 |
I understood everything that you said. And don't most tracks have two buildups or more, cause everything that I have, have two buildups. Thanks for the input.
Peace |
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| Dj Zinni |
| I have been mixing out the playing track while it is dieing, and bringing in my cued track as it is rising in energy, but I have a problem. Every time I hear it live, it sounds fine but when I go back to my recording after I have mixed the set (I do this to see exactly what other people would hear, this is a trick my old guitar teacher told me work wonders in improving your ear.) my beats tend to echo, they are right on and banging together, but it always seems like the beats will vibrate even though im sure they are on and i don't know what to do. I am really stuck on this, any help would be wonderful. |
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| uberclkgtr |
Try adjusting the EQs. Cutting the bass on the incoming track can work, and turning it back on at the start of a 32 beat segment while at the same time cutting the bass of the outgoing track.
Just because you've got them beat-matched perfectly doesn't mean they'll sound good layered on top of each other. Beats have a key too. |
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| TranceCluber |
| i start at the begning first noticable beat ... start of the 32...... i go in the begining because ill mix into it for min before you can really hear it then mix the old record out takes another min ...so i need to start from the begnning |
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| Bear4569 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Zinni
I have been mixing out the playing track while it is dieing, and bringing in my cued track as it is rising in energy, but I have a problem. Every time I hear it live, it sounds fine but when I go back to my recording after I have mixed the set (I do this to see exactly what other people would hear, this is a trick my old guitar teacher told me work wonders in improving your ear.) my beats tend to echo, they are right on and banging together, but it always seems like the beats will vibrate even though im sure they are on and i don't know what to do. I am really stuck on this, any help would be wonderful. |
DJ Zinni, I record my mixes all the time as well so that I can get that listener perspective, and it never fails, but when you are playin live and listening live, it sounds good, but when you go back and listen to it, it doesn't sound as good as it did live. But I have been workin on cutting the bass and switchin them out and that seems to do pretty good.
Peace |
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