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Genelec 8040 / 8050 and my studio, help!
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| akatora |
Afternoon gentlemen
I have finally decided to go with the Genelec speakers...after a long time auditioning. I´m only starting to produce electronic music (Hard trance and DnB) so I need the bass, but my problem is this.
Will the 8050 be too big for my room or not? I´m a little afraid that the bass will be hard to controll in my room, but I might be wrong...I hope I´m wrong because I really want them.
I made a really ugly sketch on how the room looks with measures, so I´m hoping someone could give me some pointers. The 8050 is a 8" speaker....how much space does it need...
Also...where should I but my basstraps etc.? thank you
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| echosystm |
im going to assume the squares are the monitors and the circles are the listening position.
you definately don't want your monitors stuck right in the corners. even moving them 40cm in will make a big diffrence.
where should you WHAT your bass traps? i don't know if youre trying to say "put" or "buy" lol.
buy:
build your bass traps yourself. it is very easy; just make a square frame, put a layer of rockwool in, and wrap it up in material. it is obviously cheaper to do it yourself, but it isn't just a matter of price. typical commercial acoustic products will not provide as good results as some of the simplest DIY jobs.
put:
in order of necessity: all corners, side walls and the wall behind you. |
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| DJ RANN |
The gene's are a lovely set of monitors- don't worry about the size, the bass will be fine as long as you follow a few simple guidelines.
Firstly look in to the principles of room acoustics. I would recommend the book: modern recording techniques. It's just about the right balance easy to understand theory and detailed explanation for someone starting out. don't get too carried away-as you said your self, you're just getting started and probably won't even know what to listen for until at least a few months (if not years) experience.
I wouldn't start building bass traps until you have the speakers in situ with all you other equipment in place (including furniture and assess the room from there. Anything in the room will affect the audible dynamics and there are so many variables in play that you are best to have the room organised first (of course following the usual theory/rules of good practise for acoustics).
There was a program written a while back (by my former acoustics tutor) called acousticX - it actually let you put in the rooms dimensions, materials (plaster/drywall/brick etc) model of speakers (the new gene's will not be on there but the older and similar models will be) and it would calculate the best speaker placement and listening position.
Not sure if it's still around but maybe something similar is available.
The obvious changes you need to make from a glance at your diagram is to bring the speakers away from the rear wall and the sides as they look to be too close and will give a proximity effect (boost the low frequencies). Also, make sure they are different distances (i.e. 20" from the rear wall and 30" from the side). this will stop reflections from different angles competing with each other. You listening position should be an equilateral triangle, the size of which depends on the optimum placement of both your position and the speakers, in relation to the dynamics of the room. Don't forget - moving the listening position can be just as important as moving the speakers. If you get this part right it can greatly reduce the need for room treatments.
There really is too much to write on this subject for this thread, but you've got some starting points.
to summarise, I would suggest doing some reading on this first, then getting the actual placement right and finally some room treatment (if necessary or can be bothered). |
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| Zombie0729 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
The gene's are a lovely set of monitors- don't worry about the size, the bass will be fine as long as you follow a few simple guidelines.
Firstly look in to the principles of room acoustics. I would recommend the book: modern recording techniques. It's just about the right balance easy to understand theory and detailed explanation for someone starting out. don't get too carried away-as you said your self, you're just getting started and probably won't even know what to listen for until at least a few months (if not years) experience.
I wouldn't start building bass traps until you have the speakers in situ with all you other equipment in place (including furniture and assess the room from there. Anything in the room will affect the audible dynamics and there are so many variables in play that you are best to have the room organised first (of course following the usual theory/rules of good practise for acoustics).
There was a program written a while back (by my former acoustics tutor) called acousticX - it actually let you put in the rooms dimensions, materials (plaster/drywall/brick etc) model of speakers (the new gene's will not be on there but the older and similar models will be) and it would calculate the best speaker placement and listening position.
Not sure if it's still around but maybe something similar is available.
The obvious changes you need to make from a glance at your diagram is to bring the speakers away from the rear wall and the sides as they look to be too close and will give a proximity effect (boost the low frequencies). Also, make sure they are different distances (i.e. 20" from the rear wall and 30" from the side). this will stop reflections from different angles competing with each other. You listening position should be an equilateral triangle, the size of which depends on the optimum placement of both your position and the speakers, in relation to the dynamics of the room. Don't forget - moving the listening position can be just as important as moving the speakers. If you get this part right it can greatly reduce the need for room treatments.
There really is too much to write on this subject for this thread, but you've got some starting points.
to summarise, I would suggest doing some reading on this first, then getting the actual placement right and finally some room treatment (if necessary or can be bothered). |
hey dude this is a great post. you should write a small general tutorial for the forum so we can put it in the tutorial list |
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| DJDIRTY |
And like any professional monitors in such price range they will have a set of additional controls at the back for setting them up in different rooms.
GENELEC SETUP GUIDE |
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| DJ RANN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0729
hey dude this is a great post. you should write a small general tutorial for the forum so we can put it in the tutorial list |
Thanks! actually, when I get some time off (xmas) I will put something together as a short tutuorial - it's great how TA has become such a good resource centre. |
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| donnybrasco |
| You should also try contacting Genelec direct, via their website's "customer support" e-mail service and show them your sketch. They've been very helpful to me in the past...and obviously, they know what's best when it comes to placing their product. ;) |
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