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Phrases and bars (pg. 2)
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| sleepydragon |
| quote: | Originally posted by s3nate
I thought a phrase was every 32 beats? |
no phrases happen in multiples of 8 so its 8, 16 or 32 beats.
4 beats in a bar |
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| Zild |
| Yeah it is really up to the producer as to how long the phrases are but 8 bars seems to be fairly standard. |
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by s3nate
I thought a phrase was every 32 beats? |
you thought wrong
typically/ideally you may find them to be 32 beats long
but a phrase in reality is as long as a producer creates it
point i was trying to make - you need to be attuned to the track at hand and understand its phrasing as a unique piece of music. a melodic phrase might be different than a percussive phrase in the same track for instance. you need to pay attention to what you are phrasing when you are deejaying. |
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| SebG |
| so whats the proper definition of a phrase? |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by SebG
so whats the proper definition of a phrase? |
"A small section of music in a larger piece."
It's not technically defined as a certain number of bars. Usually 8 bars tends to be a good number to work with, but it might turn out to be 16 (or a slightly more random number if you're unlucky). |
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| DjWoody |
Taken from WIKIPEDIA...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrase_%28music%29
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In music a phrase (Greek φράση, sentence, expression, see also strophe) is a section of music that is relatively self contained and coherent over a medium time scale. In common practice phrases are often four and most often eight bars, or measures, long. A rough analogy between musical phrases and the linguistic phrase is often made, comparing the lowest phrase level to clauses and the highest to a complete sentence. Thus a phrase will end with a weaker or stronger cadence depending if it is an antecedent or consequent phrase, respectively. Metrically, Edward Cone analyses the "typical musical phrase" as consisting of an "initial downbeat, a period of motion, and a point of arrival marked by a cadential downbeat," while Cooper and Meyer use only two or three pulse groups (strong-weak or strong-weak-weak) (DeLone et al. (Eds.), 1975, chap. 3). |
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| Darkarbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by sleepydragon
no phrases happen in multiples of 8 so its 8, 16 or 32 beats.
4 beats in a bar |
8 beats is too short for a phrase |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Darkarbiter
8 beats is too short for a phrase |
Not necessarily - if the track has major changes every 2 bars, it could be considered a phrase, but it's pretty rare :p |
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| Jono404 |
| I don't see why you should even need to count? Unless it's some uber minimal piece where keeping time is hard, you just know based on things like crash hits, snare rolls etc. |
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| SebG |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jono404
I don't see why you should even need to count? Unless it's some uber minimal piece where keeping time is hard, you just know based on things like crash hits, snare rolls etc. |
For some reason i have trouble hearing the kick (or losing it when highs and mids are in) so i have to keep counting so i dont lose track of it. I have to train my ears better. |
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| Jarvmeister |
| quote: | Originally posted by stan229
i really dont think you should be counting beats/phrases.. use your ears and feel the music :) |
Agree 100%, I don't even need to listen out for it, or even concentrate, I know when the breaks are coming and all that. I don't even know what phrases and bars are - I don't need to and never have, even as a beginner.
Before I started mixing I would dance to the structure of the music in clubs - I was alsways able to feel the music long before I started to mix. |
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| callme:gsmile: |
| I don't think beat counting is nescessary, but in the beginning while learning to beatmatch and phrase it will make the learning process alot quicker as well as get the ability to drop a record in on the first beat and sync perfectly. Its more about conditioning yourself than anything else. |
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