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Time Correcting??? (pg. 2)
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| Lolo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Khayat
Is there any tips or tricks in Time stretching in Ableton Live.I mean I know about warp markers etc etc but don't know when the stretching sounds right.I end up sending the audio file to other producers do it for me :D
Are there any rules? |
eeerm if you had a little more self confidence and trusted your ears... It sounds right when it sounds right for you. |
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| Acton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lolo
time correction is very good for beats and plucked strings like guitars, basses, but also pianos, essentially.
When using compressors you can hear a huge difference on uncorrected loops and clips because of their flamming.
Beat flamming is a producer's nightmare at times. Flamming means that some of the sounds get played too early or too late, which means that they will take more space in the mix once you put a compressor. When you time-correct, you just align those sounds to a grid then you have total control on the timing and a cleaner overall sound. At least you can add some flamming if it's really what you want (it works great on claps being pushed a few ticks earlier).
To be honest, with Ableton Live and elastic audio around, time correction has never been easier. But you have to make sure that you time correct everything. Once you get to hear the difference, you will never go back and you will even notice uncorrected to corrected beats.
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Interesting read
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| lenieNt Force |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
you're missing the point. it is usually good to have some natural swing in your music. i dont know any rock producers who bother doing this.
how do you even make a drum hit sample accurate anyway? there are many samples at the beginning of a sound, infact, how do you even choose which transient to make "sample accurate"? just because there is one "first" transient, doesn't mean that's the one you want on beat.
i dunno, it all just sounds like a load of bs to me. if you have a really way-ward hit, then yeah you're going to warp it back into roughly the right position. talking about sample level editing for this is a waste of time imo and only goes into some weird zone of technical elitist wankerism. |
Tottttally agree with you. If ur following grids all the time ur not injecting liveliness into the music and its not natural at all. Grids can baffle your mind at times if u dont know how to relate to them..
If it sounds right, it is right. Thats the beauty of music. Have self confidence and trust your ears, as Lolo says. |
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| No Left Turn |
| quote: | | Originally posted by echosystm i dont know any rock producers who bother doing this. |
Really? And I bet you know them all, too?
Any commercial record that's currently on store shelves has had tons of "time correction" done to it, and I don't need to know any producers/engineers personally to know that this is done. Studio albums are supposed to clean/perfect/amazingly-performed/etc. That's the whole point of recording in a studio.
If you want a natural swing to your music, literally record everything in one take and don't mix it. |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by No Left Turn
Any commercial record that's currently on store shelves has had tons of "time correction" done to it, and I don't need to know any producers/engineers personally to know that this is done. Studio albums are supposed to clean/perfect/amazingly-performed/etc. That's the whole point of recording in a studio.
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No its not. As someone who was a rock musician originally, I can speak from experience that you don't walk into a studio to have a "super clean" album. You go into a studio to make music. Simple as that.
The important thing with time correcting is to follow your ears not the grid.
I personally think that time correcting has uses as an effect, I believe the same of auto tune. Its not something you apply left right and centre, you use moderation. Its an effect, so it should be used as such or your music becomes lifeless and sterile. It doesn't need to be applied to every song, or every track in every song, I find its all about variety.
Time stretching to me always implies a sort of roughness, like nudging a drum hit back into place. Time correcting makes me think of BT nudging the sound of individual raindrops in a storm to make them rythmic. I've heard that BT song and to be honest I sort of missed the point:o but I can see it could be theoretically interesting to get these sorts of natural sounds and experiment with making them more rythmic.
| quote: | it is usually good to have some natural swing in your music
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That hits the nail on the head, but I should mention that rock producers do use time correction, sometimes its better than a retake given that its easy and accurate with drums. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I should mention that rock producers do use time correction, sometimes its better than a retake |
| quote: | Originally posted by No Left Turn
Any commercial record that's currently on store shelves has had tons of "time correction" done to it |
I'm not talking about "time correction", I'm talking about this "sample accurate" time correcting bs. no one does it unless they have OCD. :stongue:
at 44,100 samples per second, i'm pretty sure no one is going to notice, or give a , if it is a few hundred out... lol
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| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
i dunno, it all just sounds like a load of bs to me. if you have a really way-ward hit, then yeah you're going to warp it back into roughly the right position. talking about sample level editing for this is a waste of time imo and only goes into some weird zone of technical elitist wankerism. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
you're missing the point. it is usually good to have some natural swing in your music. i dont know any rock producers who bother doing this.
how do you even make a drum hit sample accurate anyway? there are many samples at the beginning of a sound, infact, how do you even choose which transient to make "sample accurate"? just because there is one "first" transient, doesn't mean that's the one you want on beat.
i dunno, it all just sounds like a load of bs to me. if you have a really way-ward hit, then yeah you're going to warp it back into roughly the right position. talking about sample level editing for this is a waste of time imo and only goes into some weird zone of technical elitist wankerism. |
time correcting individual hits on drums is standard work for an engineer in rock music. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
time correcting individual hits on drums is standard work for an engineer in rock music. |
did you even read what i wrote?
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sample accuracy has nothing to do with drum hits, it is making an edit with the accuracy of one sample point. at a samplerate of 44,100hz, there are 44,100 samples per second. grabbing the warp marker in live and moving a drum hit is not SAMPLE ACCURATE time correction. i thought you guys would know these things by now.
i never said people don't or shouldn't use time correction, you guys just made an assumption because you didn't understand the terminology. i was saying such sample accurate edits are largely pointless, which they are. |
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| kitphillips |
Sorry, I didn't realise you were talking about something different. The thread was originally about time correction, I didn't realise you'd brought up "sample accurate" time correction.
I think that I would find this pointless as you say because if you got down to that level I would find it easier to talk in terms of 256th notes, not 100 samples. Does anyone at all do this sample accurate stuff? I've really never heard anyone get THAT obsessed with it... |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
Sorry, I didn't realise you were talking about something different. The thread was originally about time correction, I didn't realise you'd brought up "sample accurate" time correction.
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eric j brought up sample accurate edits in the 2nd post :p
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
I think that I would find this pointless as you say because if you got down to that level I would find it easier to talk in terms of 256th notes, not 100 samples. Does anyone at all do this sample accurate stuff? I've really never heard anyone get THAT obsessed with it... |
yeah, like i said, totally OCD type behaviour lol. some producers do it though. it is more out of perfectionism than an actual need/necessity.
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
It is just another term for time stretching. BT and others will go in and make very small edits to make sure a sample is "sample accurate" ,but any type of time stretching can be considered "time correcting".
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that said, there are times when sample accurate edits are needed. for example, if you have a loop which is 120.0XX bpm and you want to loop that for 7 minutes, it will get out of time. however, most daws will just let you repeat the loop as a bunch of one bar EVENTS, rather than 7 minutes of one event looping. the obvious difference is that the 0.XX bpm left over will get cut off by the following event... if that makes any sense at all! |
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| No Left Turn |
| quote: | | Originally posted by kitphillips You go into a studio to make music. Simple as that. |
So you're telling me that when you pay a recording, mixing and mastering engineer $XX/hr, you're just doing it for the sake of music? You're actually paying other people to do unnecessary tasks for you to simply make music? I can make music at home without a computer and am very certain that you and everyone else on this forum can do the same. I find it hard to believe that you don't want to take the creative, musical ideas that you have in your head and want them to sound awesome/perfect/clean/reallygood/whatever.
If *I* brought a band into a studio to record a song/album/anything, I would want any imperfection corrected either by rerecording or edited (unless there's one of those easter egg slips that are just too awesome not to keep). This may just be a difference what you and I expect out of a studio session. |
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| lenieNt Force |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
at 44,100 samples per second, i'm pretty sure no one is going to notice, or give a , if it is a few hundred out... lol |
lmao:crazy: |
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