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There Will Be Blood (pg. 2)
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| Piano4444 |
| How can I see this movie? |
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| B018 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Allied Nations
bro i couldn't find you any chavez stuff... i looked! |
hahah
no prob amigo
thx a lot
i should go to venezuela then |
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| Marcus007 |
scotia banque center downtown (formerlyl paramount) is playing the film
*let me digest what mitzu said then ill post again* |
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| Mitsutranza |
| quote: | Originally posted by Piano4444
How can I see this movie? |
It's in theatres, in Paramount (now Scotia Bank: what a stupid name for a cinema!), playing at times like 8:30 and 9:30.
Yeah, sorry guys for not putting spoiler warnings on my discussion, i'll edit that now :p.
Can't wait for that review Spin. Looks like my review of the film will be printed in Concordia's The Link newspaper so check that out if you can! (or else i'll just post it here if anyone cares to read it) |
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| Marcus007 |
i know what you're getting at... I just wish the ending was a bit more resolved... Yes, H.W becomes his own man which was a great scene... but it still makes no sense why Plainview would kill Eli. Like I said... great movie... beautiful acting, dialogue, cinematography... just wish he would've tied it all together the same way he tied Boogie Nights and Magnolia together...
Did you get chills when the oil came bursting out of the ground? Everyone in my theatre gasped when they heard that... rocked the audience louder than s&d at pepsi forum hahaha |
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| Mitsutranza |
Yeah man that scene was crazy!!! I gotta say that i watched this movie in New York and then last night here and it was a VERY different experience. It was the premier in New York and the place was PACKKKEDD, people seemed really into the movie laughing and reacting like crazy to certain scenes (the oil gushing, Daniel's baptism and the last scene especially) and they applauded when it was over, something i find pretty weird coz they're clapping to a screen hehe. Here it was quite different, a few laughs here and there, a few walk-outs, not packed at all and mostly quiet through-out. Paramount definately needs to do something about their sound, it was too loud at points (like the scene you mention) and my ear drums were reminded of Stereo's soundsystem :wtf:
Now about that ending hehe, sorry if i'm being a bit adamant with my debating but how did you experience the character of Eli? Was he not a weasel who wanted power and respect by basically mocking religion? How did you not WANT this character to die? How did you not expect him to die after what he did to Daniel during that baptism? I mean, Daniel even tells him that he'll bury him underground one day so i was totally expecting it and if it didn't happen i would of been pissed. The guy deserved what was coming.
It also makes sense thematically; Eli was the last remaining piece of unfinished business for Daniel. Like i said, in order for Daniel's desire to come true he needed to kill Eli. He needed to kill the man that was so much like him because he would be thinking about him constantly if he didn't, they were VERY similar and a man like Daniel Plainview needed to remain the sole specimen of that kind of human being. It made total perfect sense for me. Did you notice how nothing woke him up until Eli mentioned his own name? That's how much this guy got to him.
I would say, see the movie again, i doubt you're feelings about the ending would be the same. :)
So do you have a movie you could say is among your favorite of the decade so far? (these past few years have been awesome for film don't you think?) |
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| Enjoy |
| ok but is it better than die hard 4??? i dont think so, no i dont :o |
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| Marcus007 |
eli was a calm boy who liked the attention he got from the church
he also made money on the deal
WHAT A MONSTER
plainview... lets see... he killed not one but two people... abandoned his own son... only cared about the oil and the power... beat eli the up...
HMMM
but damn was he a lovable monster, so well portrayed... even in the way day lewis walked... that's why i can't talk about it cuz other parts really shined |
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| Mitsutranza |
Hehe, well i'm sorry to say this Marc but it seems like you're only looking at the surface of things.
Eli is a calm boy? Did you not see that crazy scene where he's "taking out the devil" from that poor woman? Ridiculous (and quite amusing) nonsense about biting the devil with his teeth and kicking him with the boot? Heh. He ain't calm, the kid has issues. What about when H.W. has the accident? Do we see him caring at all or do we see him asking for his money? It's the second one.
Plainview loved his son. I didn't really see it the first time either, but the second time was very clear. He was heartbroken when he had to leave him because as harsh the situation was he knew he couldn't be a good father to him. Did he leave him on the street? No. He left him in the care of his most trusted friend. Not so evil is it?
Killed two people. Yes. The first one pretended to be his brother so he can have success and basically make life easy for himself through Daniel's hard work and the second was a menace to religion and a complete fraud. Plainview is a bad man but those people had it coming man, come on.
Like I say, see the film again and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's one of those films that you get so much out of after a second viewing.
Looks like Eli got to you like he did to those people in his sermons and that just isn't right! :P |
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| Marcus007 |
You know... I get the faux-brother killing... it's mainly Eli's death that irks me...
So because Eli was a fake... Plainview should kill him?
Does this really make sense for the story? Why throw it all away to beat Eli to a pulp with a ing bowling pin?
Why did he turn into such a ing half way through the movie? And what ever happened to Plainview's most trusted friend? Where did this character disappear to? |
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| Mitsutranza |
Killing his fake brother was a turning point, he realized and we realized that he has what it takes to be a murderer. This connects with the end.
It seems like you're simplifying Eli's death too much when it's much more complex than that. He didn't just kill Eli coz he was a fake.
hate quoting myself but i said it all before...
| quote: | How did you not WANT this character to die? How did you not expect him to die after what he did to Daniel during that baptism? I mean, Daniel even tells him that he'll bury him underground one day so i was totally expecting it and if it didn't happen i would of been pissed. The guy deserved what was coming.
It also makes sense thematically; Eli was the last remaining piece of unfinished business for Daniel. Like i said, in order for Daniel's desire to come true he needed to kill Eli. He needed to kill the man that was so much like him because he would be thinking about him constantly if he didn't, they were VERY similar and a man like Daniel Plainview needed to remain the sole specimen of that kind of human being. It made total perfect sense for me. Did you notice how nothing woke him up until Eli mentioned his own name? That's how much this guy got to him. |
Connect all that with the fact that Eli is a piece of (remember how he treated his own father? AND THIS GUY IS MEANT TO BE RELIGIOUS), with Daniel's opening himself up to the man he thought was his brother (only adds more to his tragedy) when he says he has competition in him, he needs to get away because he sees right through people etc.
Connect all that with the silent words we never hear uttered by Daniel to Eli after that humiliating baptism scene and tell me you didn't see Eli's death coming and how much he deserved it!!!!!
See the film again. :eyespop:
he doesn't throw anything away, he's still a billionaire when we leave him and (like i said before), it's obvious he's not going to jail.
When did Plainview turn into an ? Did he not always care mainly about rising to the top? When he sees that oil gushing he stays there ALL FREAKING DAY looking at it coz he's going slightly mad with power. When he loses his son as a partner (After the kid has the accident) he starts to alienate himself, when he realizes his brother is a fake he COMPLETELY alienates himself and only continues to grow more mad (and continues to drink and drink). He gives that speech about people and we find out A LOT about this man during that speech. It's all very progressive with perfect flow dude.
Fletcher his most trusted friend took care of H.W. after H.W. came back Fletcher was still there in the background but it was already nearing the end of the film and his purpose for the story was over. What more did you want from him? He was always in the background and he just became another person Plainview became alienated from. That's it.
I think your first viewing got muddled by the truly incredible preformance of Daniel Day Lewis. This is totally understandable because my first viewing was a bit too.
See the movie again. :eyespop: |
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| Marcus007 |
ill take your advice and see it again
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