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| donnybrasco |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
how about option
e) we devise an energy policy for the first time in 7 years. one that weens this nation off foreign oil dependency and thus the need to control foreign oil supplies or be held hostage by them. we germinate a culture of energy efficiency and conservation with as much effort as we have for fear and vigilence. we reopen the debate for nuclear power on the floor of congress and instead of continuing to build gas and coal-fired power plants we switch our national energy grid to mostly nuclear power, which will eventually phase out to renewable sources of energy after we pass a bill that funds research into making solar and wind power more economically viable. the united states is the richest nation in wind and solar resources fyi. we incentivize the redevelopment of the electric car, which was a success before it was terminated by oil interests, and develop infrastructure to support it so that we can recharge our cars at home rather than filling up with gasoline. then as the 3rd largest oil-producing nation in the world, we can be self-sufficient in our petroleum needs without having to pander to oppressive regimes like the saudi royal family. we wouldn't have to construct and maintain massive military outposts in the region to ensure a stable follow of oil for our wasteful habits. why is it that fuel economy standards in CHINA of all places are higher than those in the united states? are you telling me that america, the richest, most educated, most technologically endowed nation in the world is incapable of taking a step in the right direction like the rest of the developed world has? maybe we need to think about passing real laws instead of those that make h2 hummers, which are exempt from fuel standards in america, a write-off for any person with a business license. |
^^^Supply and Demand. It's the same thing that drives people who have the money to pay the excessively high prices for bottle service at the clubs; Because they can!
I agree that we need more nuclear power! I'd like to see more natural fuel sources being used, like solar, wind and hydrogen and/or natural gas. But Americans have the money to afford their gas guzzling cars, along with the power and convenience that comes with driving them, versus driving electric cars with their sever limitations.
We're no different here. Give any other country in the world a shot at this kind of wealth, and you'd see the same thing happening.
The world population and demand for oil is growing WAY too fast to ever be satisfied by alternative fuel sources. No, oil is here to stay, for as long as it lasts. If the alternative sources of fuel were economically viable and competitive, "supply and demand" would have seen to it already that they became a factor...but they're not, and they haven't, and there's no point in getting all bent out of shape about something that is a pipe-dream at this point in time. |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
Well now you're just making my own argument for me! Thanks! Yes, what do you think countries have a military for? Ultimately, it's to defend their economic interests. Is this a crime? Hardly. It's been going on since the inception of human history...and it's common sense.
Today, we do NOT represent anything like having 50% of the world wealth. Your quote is dated AND mis-leading.
And as for 0.3 percent increase in the value of the Euro between 2002 and 2006, I challenge you to show me the chart that says that! It was going up steadily since 2003, and was quite high by 2006...much higher than "0.3"!
And I'm not on either of the major "teams" FYI. I happen to be a registered Libertarian. The hypocrisy of both the major parties is just as vexing to me as it is to you (as well as some issues I have with my own party).
As for military spending and defense doctrine, I'm addressing again what this whole thread is about; Creating wars simply to satisfy national defense corporate proftis...or did your "reading comphrension skills" desert you? ;) |
you're a libertarian? lol oh man, that's the best laugh of the day... that is contradicted by first paragraph of your post. a libertarian would never say that :haha:
and the quote i posted wasn't to argue that we still have 50% of the world's wealth. if that's the message you extracted from the quote, then i'm afraid you're beyond hope.
as far as inflation rates, you're really reducing to the ridiculous at this point, but here's the data for usd to euro exchange...
September 2002
0.98063 USD (20 days average)
April 2006
1.22733 USD (20 days average)
i think it's become clear at this point that you really have no clue what you're talking about. libertarian, lol.... |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
^^^Supply and Demand. It's the same thing that drives people who have the money to pay the excessively high prices for bottle service at the clubs; Because they can!
I agree that we need more nuclear power! I'd like to see more natural fuel sources being used, like solar, wind and hydrogen and/or natural gas. But Americans have the money to afford their gas guzzling cars, along with the power and convenience that comes with driving them, versus driving electric cars with their sever limitations.
We're no different here. Give any other country in the world a shot at this kind of wealth, and you'd see the same thing happening.
The world population and demand for oil is growing WAY too fast to ever be satisfied by alternative fuel sources. No, oil is here to stay, for as long as it lasts. If the alternative sources of fuel were economically viable and competitive, "supply and demand" would have seen to it already that they became a factor...but they're not, and they haven't, and there's no point in getting all bent out of shape about something that is a pipe-dream at this point in time. |
everything about this post is wrong. |
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| donnybrasco |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
you're a libertarian? lol oh man, that's the best laugh of the day... that is contradicted by first paragraph of your post. a libertarian would never say that :haha: |
If you would READ my posts and pay attention, you'd see clearly where I said that I have issues with some of the doctrine of my own party...and obviously, national defense is one of those issues! ;)
| quote: | | Originally posted by R!CH and the quote i posted wasn't to argue that we still have 50% of the world's wealth. if that's the message you extracted from the quote, then i'm afraid you're beyond hope. |
Mmmm...so what is your point exactly for pulling that quote deep out of context, and out of history's ass?
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH as far as inflation rates, you're really reducing to the ridiculous at this point, but here's the data for usd to euro exchange...
September 2002
0.98063 USD (20 days average)
April 2006
1.22733 USD (20 days average) |
The average annul inflation rate between 2002 and 2006 was about 3%. Multiply that by 4 years (X4) and you get a decrease in the value of the dollar of roughly 12.5%...so how does that translate in to an increase in the value of the Euro by double that amount? There's more at play here than simple dollar supply; There's world faith in the dollar, national banks investment in the dollar, etc. The printing of money has been the driving force behind it's steady decline though, make no mistake about that.
EDIT: And why are you ignoring the current value of the Euro, which has gone up DOUBLE what it was between the 2002-2006 period in only the past year+?
And of course, the Euro has been affected by it's own inflation as well, I'm sure...thus it's relevance to the current value of the dollar is even more diminished.
| quote: | | Originally posted by R!CH i think it's become clear at this point that you really have no clue what you're talking about. libertarian, lol.... |
Sure, cut and run if you have to! I understand! It's not easy to lose arguments! Especially when they're weak ones!
Bye now!
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| the_jerk |
So after 4 pages of spirited debate, have we come to a conclusion??
Not sure why this thread is in the west coast forum. Aren't these political arguments usually in some sort of quarentine so they don't infect the rest of us?? :D |
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| gerard6975 |
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it's always healthy to stimulate the mind with more information especially when you see each person's position. and of course one can always draw his or her own conclusion :)
after reading everyone's point, i think everybody agrees that the Iraq war isn't a war on 'terror' but to terrorize the region to acquire it's oil. unlike what the Bush administration was selling to everybody. now where are those freaking WMDs?!?! |
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| Nerologic |
ZEITGEIST!!!!!!!!!!!
Good film, opened my eyes a bit into this .
ok enough of an interlude during the debate.
How about them Chargers?
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| donnybrasco |
O-M-G!!!!
Rich, you have GOT to be kidding me!!???
"Zietgeist" is one of those lunatic conspiracy theory videos about 9-11
....NO WONDER there is no reasoning with you!!!!
Dude, you have serious problems. I can't believe I wasted my time debating with a conspiracy theory nut-ball on the internet!
For those that don't know what I'm talking about; Rich believes that the 9-11 attacks were solely the work of the U.S. Government. That's right people! There were bombs planted in the World Trade Center that were set off after the planes hit in order to make it collapse (not because two huge airliners couldn't do it all on their own! No, has to be another reason, right!? :crazy: ), and that the terrorist were working for the CIA, a "missle" (not a plane) hit the Pentagon, and there was a BIG cover-up, blah, blah, etc, etc...it's lunatic psycho-babble of the highest order.
ok, ok. I can't take it anymore! I'm going to tell you something Rich. I'll tell you the "TRUTH";
I've been watching you man!!! I'm from the CIA!
That's why I started partying years ago. I was laying the groundwork as being just another face in the crowd, so that I could get closer to you without you getting suspicious (because I know how suspicious you are). I established friends in the scene who would vouch for me as being "legitimate", so that when I started posting, you'd not suspect who I was and I could draw you out and get you to post the things that you do. We've been documenting every post Rich! Both here, and in other forums! We'll have all the evidence we need to put you away forever as a subversive! The arrest warrant has just signed this morning bro.
Keep an eye out for the black-ops helicopters! Today is the day you always feared! We HAVE to silence you! You know too much! You went on internet, did some "research", and now; YOU KNOW TOO MUCH!!! :nervous: |
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| donnybrasco |
LOL! Love it.
And this quote from that site is pretty funny;
"Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true...then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well...you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet".
:haha: :haha: :haha:
Wurd. |
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| the_jerk |
| If someone brings up "Loose Change" and tries to defend its message I'm gonna lose it :whip: |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by donnybrasco
O-M-G!!!!
Rich, you have GOT to be kidding me!!???
"Zietgeist" is one of those lunatic conspiracy theory videos about 9-11
....NO WONDER there is no reasoning with you!!!!
Dude, you have serious problems. I can't believe I wasted my time debating with a conspiracy theory nut-ball on the internet!
For those that don't know what I'm talking about; Rich believes that the 9-11 attacks were solely the work of the U.S. Government. That's right people! There were bombs planted in the World Trade Center that were set off after the planes hit in order to make it collapse (not because two huge airliners couldn't do it all on their own! No, has to be another reason, right!? :crazy: ), and that the terrorist were working for the CIA, a "missle" (not a plane) hit the Pentagon, and there was a BIG cover-up, blah, blah, etc, etc...it's lunatic psycho-babble of the highest order.
ok, ok. I can't take it anymore! I'm going to tell you something Rich. I'll tell you the "TRUTH";
I've been watching you man!!! I'm from the CIA!
That's why I started partying years ago. I was laying the groundwork as being just another face in the crowd, so that I could get closer to you without you getting suspicious (because I know how suspicious you are). I established friends in the scene who would vouch for me as being "legitimate", so that when I started posting, you'd not suspect who I was and I could draw you out and get you to post the things that you do. We've been documenting every post Rich! Both here, and in other forums! We'll have all the evidence we need to put you away forever as a subversive! The arrest warrant has just signed this morning bro.
Keep an eye out for the black-ops helicopters! Today is the day you always feared! We HAVE to silence you! You know too much! You went on internet, did some "research", and now; YOU KNOW TOO MUCH!!! :nervous: |
you sound like a total douchebag so i'll waste as little time with you as possible... explain to me why building 7 collapsed. explain to me the molten steel found at the base of both towers or why they collapsed at free-fall speed. please try your hardest to stay on topic and try to put as few words in my mouth as possible this time. you seem to have enough problems speaking for yourself. |
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