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| Krispy Kreme |
| quote: | Originally posted by kopi_luwak
Shhhh, if one of them hear you, they will shoot you down :stongue:.
Kopi =o. |
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| Krispy Kreme |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
lol, Soulja Boy as a representation of hip-hop. You sir, are either an idiot or a troll.
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Hes pretty much one of the hottest "artists" in hip hop right now retard.:rolleyes: |
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| Krispy Kreme |
| quote: | Originally posted by Blahzaay
I have a group of mates that have some mad ryhmes and a crisp clear sound but don't know the 1st thing about production. Absolutely zero. They spend every day rapping over the top of other peoples instrumentals and posting them on Myspace. Some of them sound half decent but good luck selling them. |
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| piku303 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krispy Kreme
Hes pretty much one of the hottest "artists" in hip hop right now retard.:rolleyes: |
dude your ignorance is striking. you know there is a HUGE difference between hip hop and rap? if you extended your musical knowledge further than soulja boy or whatever that is youd know that. you are seriously the most ignorant person i have ever seen on this forum. get off your high horse and learn some respect for other people and doing things differently. im not even black but i think your statements were verging on racist man. not everybody is like you, measuring a persons worth by the way they speak is wrong. ditto to the dude who brought up the shakespeare argument. |
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| 3F05Q |
| quote: | Originally posted by piku303
dude your ignorance is striking. you know there is a HUGE difference between hip hop and rap? if you extended your musical knowledge further than soulja boy or whatever that is youd know that. you are seriously the most ignorant person i have ever seen on this forum. get off your high horse and learn some respect for other people and doing things differently. im not even black but i think your statements were verging on racist man. not everybody is like you, measuring a persons worth by the way they speak is wrong. ditto to the dude who brought up the shakespeare argument. |
First off, I think he's ignorant too.
YOU are bringing race into it. I didn't see any discussion of race in any post but yours. YOU are the one who just stereotyped a group of people.
There IS a line as to what can be considered intelligible speech and what can be called laziness. "...their dialect has a grammar and lexicon ..." Hip-hop or rap artists who become lazy with their speech, for whatever reason including 'covert prestige', don't fall under a different dialect, but a 'sociolect'. 'Covert prestige' is purposefully usinge a certain sociolect, even one considered to be used by a lower class, in order to fit in with a group of people or relate to them. Case in point, "where you at?" by Boost Mobile. So, don't make excuses for poor speech. |
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| Nemesis44 |
Man, I get really irate when I see people even refer to Rap today as Hip Hop. Rap is just an element of Hip Hop and nothing more.
I have to say that I find the modern day offerings both morbid and/or self indulgent to say the least.
A lot of Today’s Rap is actually what I would class as RnB with Rapping over the top rather than Hip Hop in its true essence.
But the fact of the matter is that the early forms of Hip Hop have contributed massively to our genre. And I’m not talking about the stuff like Sugar Hill Gang or Melle Mel.
You guys could learn a lot from the likes of people like Hashim. This guy wrote a track on one keyboard, one drum machine and a multitrack tape recorder (Al-Naafiysh – The Soul). Later in the studio they added the vocoder part that is so darn famous today (It’s Time).
Also check out Cybotron – Clear or even Dre’s previous incarnation in the World Class Wreckin’ Cru – Juice.
Also note worthy is any of the stuff that Arthur Baker worked on with Bambaataa and the Soul Sonic Force or Planet Patrol.
A whole host of West Coast Artists like Egyptian Lover, Unknown DJ, LA Dream Team etc. Or from the East Coast you have the likes of Mantronix and The Jonzun Crew who were more synth based than most of their New York Peers.
A lot of these guys could program the out of their gear and get the most from them. Thumping Basslines from some classic synths and tight beats from drum machines that were essentially just different frequencies of distortion.
A lot of these guys took a lot of inspiration from the likes Kraftwerk, Jarre and post punk electronic hero Gary Numan.
For me, Hip Hop in it’s truest form was actually reborn through Big Beat as it tends to capture the true recycling essence of the original art form. The Freestylers are a good example of this, excellent use of samples and wicked energy in their music but still using old 70s funk.
You have to remember how Hip Hop was born. It was born out of desperation, chaos and extreme poverty thus having to make the best of what you could get your hands on.
Just like when I first started out doing mixes as a kid using a tape to tape and editing to make remixes and mega mixes. Although I didn’t experience the same degree of poverty as the Puerto Ricans and African Americans in the Bronx, Queens and Brooklyn the inventive streak was there.
Probably one of my favourite rappers is Rakim. Smooth as hell but the ideas behind the music were simple.
His first track ‘Eric B. for President’ with Eric B. become known and sometimes mocked for the overuse of Delay on the main vocal. Their next success was Paid in full which used Dennis Edwards – Don’t Look Any Further catching bass hook and the Drum beat from Ashley’s Roach Clip, then immortalised by a British group Cold Cut and CJ Mackintosh although Eric B and Rakim hated that version.
Rakim also gave us the immortal ‘Pump up the volume’ sample.
If you really want to go grass roots check out Grand Master Flash and his adventures on the wheels of steel. Two turn tables and some classic records.
That’s not to say that there aren’t good acts today, but for me I find that the majority are lacking in that edge that the genre had in the early days.
But if the original poster is serious then that is just such a narrow minded thing to say as Hip Hop has given us much and it’s easy for us to do the things that they did nearly thirty years ago. It would be fair to call a lot of those guys Pioneers of modern dance music both in production techniques and artistic content.
I think the main problem many have with modern Rap is that it’s lost its edge; it has even abandoned a lot of those techniques and gone for a more clinical conventional approach to music creation. To a greater degree it has even lost it’s message which is perhaps the saddest thing of all. Too much of a Bling Thing today, although that isn’t to say that some of the early rappers weren’t full of .
The Message by Melle Mel could very likely be the fore runner of the miserable streak in Hip Hop although it was needed at the time it did take away that partyesque vibe in the movement although it could be argued that it was due to the need to open the eyes of the masses to the condition of the inner city in the US.
Bringing Race into it is stupid because there are a lot more cultures than just African American who have contributed to the creation/evolution of Hip Hop. As with all music, Hip Hop is a state of mind and not the colour of your skin.
Well, just my two cents. Still like good Hip Hop though.
Cheers
Nem |
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| JFCTTY |
There are some very knowledgeable post ITT that many need to read before running around screaming "HIP HOP (keyword) SUCKS ".
Ignorance is bliss? |
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| lenieNt Force |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krispy Kreme
Seriously. 99% of rappers can't play an instrument, can't speak remotely properly, can't rhyme without making up words or mispronouncing everything. They don't make up their own sounds, they have producers for that. Rap is the worst modern music and it takes the least amount of talent to succeed at:haha: |
Hahahaha.. AAAhahahahahhahahahahahaxD I think I'll start crying :crazy:
Rappers ain't musicains?.. U sir, are a moron.
Aaahahahahah... look at this, for instance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfUk1tANSkw
Grow up, everyone accusing hip hop for beeing total rubbish. Its called prejudice. Be more open minded and maybe u'll come a longer way in life. |
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| girllovingtvibe |
| all genres have bad - all genres have great - all genres have good....just depends on ur taste...and well i guess u dont like hip hop... |
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| Jake Benson |
| Anyone notice that a lot of Top 40 "rap/hip-hop" is actually HIP-HOUSE? anyone? ....anyone? |
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| pwnage1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Anyone notice that a lot of Top 40 "rap/hip-hop" is actually HIP-HOUSE? anyone? ....anyone? |
Yes. |
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| NICKSON |
| i reckon all hip hop sucks ass too, but it's pointless making a thread about it. |
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