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Why don't Jews believe in Jesus? (pg. 4)
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abercrombie
...and about 20% of Nobel laureates are Jews... |
that's just holocaust guilt. |
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| trewqy |
Jesus is in heaven right now..
HES COMING DOWN LATER AND GONNA KILL THE CRAZY CYCLOPS MONSTER WHEN DOOMSDAY COMES AND THEN HE WILL DIE CAUSE GOD SAYS THAT EVERY HUMAN MUST DIE!!!!
Thats what muslims believe. Really. |
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| Elec |
| So, who here believes in G-d? |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elec
So, who here believes in G-d? |
me! absolutely 100%. |
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| UmmiE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elec
So, who here believes in G-d? |
Lets make a poll thread for COR to see how many do and dont.....BTW I do...... |
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| UmmiE |
Question for the Mods?
Making a poll thread in the COR,is it like restricted or what? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
:D
What amuses me is that Mr Hazard is clearly a learned person; displaying high qualities of critical and rational thinking, yet he still believes in god ;). |
It shouldn't amuse you. I actually was agnostic for much of my life. My interest in various faiths and philosophies started as a quest for better understanding of other people, then turned into a ten year quest for truth, and finally resulted in me choosing my faith, not because I'm ignorant (as many athiests will assume of all persons of faith) but because I'm learned. In case you're wondering, I've not yet found truth (in fact I doubt there is any truth that can be found) but I have found peace, which is just as good IMO. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
most of the members of mensa are atheists ;) or so ive been told. |
Athiest or agnostic? You'd figure anyone intelligent enough to be in Mensa would also be intelligent enough to understand you cannot assert something does not exist simply because you don't have physical evidence of it, thus they're more likely to take the position "I don't know" rather then "there is no god." |
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Athiest or agnostic? You'd figure anyone intelligent enough to be in Mensa would also be intelligent enough to understand you cannot assert something does not exist simply because you don't have physical evidence of it. |
Is this not where the Celestial Teapot, the Flying spaghetti monster and the pack of butt ing monkeys in the core of Neptune come in to play? |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
im willing to bet the #1 reason jesus isn't considered the son of god by jews is due to the jewish influence in his untimely demise. much less a theological question as a political one ;) |
Hmm, I'm reluctant to believe that politics plays much of a roll in the Jewish position regarding Jesus' divinity (or lack there of depending on one's believe). Certainly, the early Christian community put the blame on Rome rather then the Jews for the execution of Jesus. The idea of the Jews being to blame (if one can be blamed at all... for any Christian that really understands their faith the crucifixion is a necessary part of Jesus' mission on earth therefore it is not something for which any person should be blamed) didn't really come around until the counsel of Nicea. The effort to shif focus away from the Romans to the Jews as the guilty party was definately political as it's hard to accept a religion as the official religion of the state when that religion also paints you as the #1 bad guy.
As far as the Jewish views on the Mesiah go... I think it's really a matter of interpretation of prophesy that leaves them still looking for their mesiah. As the initial post points out, there are a lot of mesiahnic prophesies that don't exactly match up with the life and ministry of Jesus (if interpreted litterally) and there are even more that do (assuming one can consider the gospels to be accurate and not revisionist to make Jesus appear as the mesiah). Jesus, did not bring peace to Isreal, nor did he rebuild the temple... if taken litterally then Jesus cannot be the Mesiah. The split between the jews and christians really centered arround how to interpret those prophesies... some felt Jesus didn't fit the bill so they continued with their traditions, others thought Jesus did satisfy the prophesies and so they followed his teachings. |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by RickyM
Is this not where the Celestial Teapot, the Flying spaghetti monster and the pack of butt ing monkeys in the core of Neptune come in to play? |
Can you state with absolute certainty that there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster?
My point is that the best conclusion we can ever really come to is that we don't know. |
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| RickyM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Can you state with absolute certainty that there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster?
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I don't see how being unable to prove something exists is a valid argument for believing it does...that's what I believe the spaghetti monster and the celestial teapot were designed to show.
And you use logic and reason to conclude that it is extremely unlikely that the spaghetti monster exists, due to lack of evidence.
I apply the same logic to the idea of a god existing. |
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