And lolcats@ any of you that believe these stupid family law ploys are anything less than gateways into the British/American/Canadian legal systems to try and gain more ground and more influence.
George Smiley
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Originally posted by Alex
lolcats@religiousfanaticism
And lolcats@ any of you that believe these stupid family law ploys are anything less than gateways into the British/American/Canadian legal systems to try and gain more ground and more influence.
Yea I reckon the Archbishop of Canterbury is secretly plotting for the Sharia overthrow of our governments! "lolcats@" that!
Alex
I didn't say overthrow :p Come on!
And his motives for partially supporting Sharia Law aren't to see Islam take over Britain, OBVIOUSLY. But the Muslim leaders that push for Sharia Law here and in the UK want the same thing, more control over their communities in the legal system and more influence in the OVERALL legal system.
And it's all bull in my opinion.
It was widely agreed that the separation of Church from State was a good thing, and it is, even if it never quite happened in the way we wanted.
But the system is the way it is and I don't think it needs any more religious influence than already exists, people need to realize that the UK and Canada are Christian countries by definition and the Muslims that came here and to the UK knew that when they moved and should shut up and enjoy their new and VASTLY improved lifestyles.
_Ocean_Drive_
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
I think what Rowan Williams said was stupid, and I wish the CofE would get its act sorted, but Pat Condell is a f*cking gimp. And the worst thing is, he thinks he's funny.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_
I think what Rowan Williams said was stupid, and I wish the CofE would get its act sorted, but Pat Condell is a f*cking gimp. And the worst thing is, he thinks he's funny.
pat IS pretty funny ;) not all the time, but more often than not :)
shaolin_Z
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Originally posted by Alex
I didn't say overthrow :p Come on!
And his motives for partially supporting Sharia Law aren't to see Islam take over Britain, OBVIOUSLY. But the Muslim leaders that push for Sharia Law here and in the UK want the same thing, more control over their communities in the legal system and more influence in the OVERALL legal system.
And it's all bull in my opinion.
It was widely agreed that the separation of Church from State was a good thing, and it is, even if it never quite happened in the way we wanted.
But the system is the way it is and I don't think it needs any more religious influence than already exists, people need to realize that the UK and Canada are Christian countries by definition and the Muslims that came here and to the UK knew that when they moved and should shut up and enjoy their new and VASTLY improved lifestyles.
Yes, each and every Muslim living in the West is a rabid fundamentalist that wishes to replace State/Federal/National Laws with 'Sharia' law in a secular nation. How very rational. Perhaps if you were more familiar with Islam, you would already know that a Muslim is supposed to respect the law in a non-Muslims community/state, provided it's doesn't prevent him or her from practicing his/her religion and/or isn't targeting and persecuting Muslims as a group. Another thing, that book you're not too familiar with makes it quite clear that we're not allowed to impose religion on non-Muslims. But thanks for your gratitude and reminding me (in part) why I don't like this place or post much anymore. I suppose I should stop reading this forum altogether as well.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Yes, each and every Muslim living in the West is a rabid fundamentalist that wishes to replace State/Federal/National Laws with 'Sharia' law in a secular nation. How very rational. Perhaps if you were more familiar with Islam, you would already know that a Muslim is supposed to respect the law in a non-Muslims community/state, provided it's doesn't prevent him or her from practicing his/her religion and/or isn't targeting and persecuting Muslims as a group. Another thing, that book you're not too familiar with makes it quite clear that we're not allowed to impose religion on non-Muslims. But thanks for your gratitude and reminding me (in part) why I don't like this place or post much anymore. I suppose I should stop reading this forum altogether as well.
hang on a minute, the koran also advocates spreading islam by the sword.
you can get whatever you're looking for from any of the holy books, which makes arguments concerning different abstracts of faith rather problematic in my opinion.
shaolin_Z
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
hang on a minute, the koran also advocates spreading islam by the sword.
you can get whatever you're looking for from any of the holy books, which makes arguments concerning different abstracts of faith rather problematic in my opinion.
No it doesn't.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
No it doesn't.
could you give me an idea whether THIS PAGE is remotely accurate? ive tried to read the koran lots of times but its just as painful as the bible.
but, in any case, there is enough in there for someone to advocate anything they want to, which is my main problem with immutable books of faith.
shaolin_Z
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
could you give me an idea whether THIS PAGE is remotely accurate? ive tried to read the koran lots of times but its just as painful as the bible.
but, in any case, there is enough in there for someone to advocate anything they want to, which is my main problem with immutable books of faith.
Anything can be taken out of context and completely twisted, Mullahs are excellent at doing that for example. I've read plenty of material propagating the exact same message. Doesn't make it accurate, authentic, or consistent with the faith. I can't recall how many times I've repeated this (with sourced Quranic references) in the past, but the only condition that legitimizes violence is in the face of persecution or a tangible threat purely as self defense, not pre-emptively and all hostilities are supposed to seize upon surrender, not to mention prisoners of war are supposed to be treated humanely and not abused. Here you go buddy, I searched for the most recent thread:
Just so you know, I actually agreed with most of the things Pat said in the video's you posted in this thread earlier, other than some inaccuracies here and there, like "Muslim children being raised to hate Jews" for example. What rubbish. My oldest buddy in college, and kung fu teacher, is Jewish. 2 of my brother roommates when he was going to Carnigie Mellon, Jewish. Guess who else is Jewish... but you already know ;). Anyways, I know you're an athiest and not particularly fond of religion. But that doesn't mean one must uncritically, unfairly, and wholeheatedly embrace derision and fabrications, especially when it's coming from nutjobs who claim adherence to a particular faith, wheather it's Christianity, Judaism, Islam, or anything else. Most monothiest I can think of, or know personally that are or try to be true to their faith, bear no resemblance to the nutjobs, fundamentalists, and pure ignorant people that give religion in general a bad name ;). And I say monotheist because I don't know many pagans or polythiests. I have plenty of Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Athiest, and agnostic friends. Infact most of my friends and associates are athiests or monothiests, as I don't seek out individuals of a particular ethnic or religious group to associate with. The closest people I can think of to pagans or polythiests I can think of would be people involved in mysticism or the 'occult' that I know personally. Not that I know many Masons, but even Masons are monothiests, and pretty damn intelligent people you can have fairly interesting conversations with.
Alex
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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Yes, each and every Muslim living in the West is a rabid fundamentalist that wishes to replace State/Federal/National Laws with 'Sharia' law in a secular nation. How very rational. Perhaps if you were more familiar with Islam, you would already know that a Muslim is supposed to respect the law in a non-Muslims community/state, provided it's doesn't prevent him or her from practicing his/her religion and/or isn't targeting and persecuting Muslims as a group. Another thing, that book you're not too familiar with makes it quite clear that we're not allowed to impose religion on non-Muslims. But thanks for your gratitude and reminding me (in part) why I don't like this place or post much anymore. I suppose I should stop reading this forum altogether as well.
Read my post a little better dude, or have you not gotten to reading yet in Kindergarden?
