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EDM clichés - c'mon ppl, start being original! (pg. 7)
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | | This guy does have a point about the lack of originality.The market is being flooded with garbage because everyone wants to be a DJ/Producer these days and its getting easier to do so. Its to bad this guy does not know what he is talking about... Saying minimal sux? moron.. Minimal is the genre that is pushing the boundaries of creativity. I think the guy has a point about cliches but just has no idea how to express himself because he does not know enough about the music. |
I don't personally understand the point of view which says that more poducers on the market (due to cheaper equipment) makes for more boring/low quality/unorignal releases.
It seems self evident to me that the more producers there are out there, the more diversity there will be and the more originality.
To borrow an analogy from Darwin, the more diversity there is in the species the more likely it is to survive.
This is just my opinion mind you, but I really think that people who complain about the fact that more people can now produce more easily
are missing the point of electronic music generally. The whole idea behind electronic (and even behind rap, house and hip hop styles earlier) was that everyone could make the music - even if they couldn't read music or play an instrument.
It was a freeform method of expression in which even people with no actual musical talent could enjoy the act of creation. This basically lead to a more pure and democratic form of music, where people weren't judged on the basis of whether they played, what they played or how they played it, they were judged on the basis of their actual art.
The artist's identity basically was subsumed by the music, and they were made irrelevant except to the extent that their name could be used to find more similar tracks. Of course, all this has changed these days, which is why I think that everyone has it backwards. We should be glad that there are more producers and easier/cheaper equipment, because it helps brings things back to that original freedom.
EDIT: And that, ladies and gentlemen is how a RANT should be conducted:D |
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| mysticalninja |
I've got some to add.
1. Squelchy Psy Kicks. These are just lame. They were kind of cool 10 years ago, but ever since Fruity Loops came with a sample of one it has been over used by every psy producer and his granma.
2. That Psy Saw Bass. Everyone knows the bass im talking about. The rolling bass, KxXx KxXx KxXx KxXx. Jesus christ lame. Who thought to make a genre out of stealing this classic trance bass pattern and adding a squelchy kick?
3. Pitch bendy Psy Leads. yawn. Get something new.
4. Distorted guitars. Didn't we move on to electronic music to get away from this crap?
4. Random eastern instruments and vocals. Cmon ppl. Yawn. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
This is just my opinion mind you, but I really think that people who complain about the fact that more people can now produce more easily
are missing the point of electronic music generally. The whole idea behind electronic (and even behind rap, house and hip hop styles earlier) was that everyone could make the music - even if they couldn't read music or play an instrument.
It was a freeform method of expression in which even people with no actual musical talent could enjoy the act of creation. This basically lead to a more pure and democratic form of music, where people weren't judged on the basis of whether they played, what they played or how they played it, they were judged on the basis of their actual art. The artist's identity basically was subsumed by the music, and they were made irrelevant except to the extent that their name could be used to find more similar tracks. Of course, all this has changed these days, which is why I think that everyone has it backwards. We should be glad that there are more producers and easier/cheaper equipment, because it helps brings things back to that original freedom. |
Best post I've seen in a while. Exactly right. |
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| Dj Nacht |
| Hey man your rant would be very cool if it was reality. The truth is most of these people are producing just so they can say hey I have a song on Beatport. Most of them dont care about being original and they are just looking for the fastest and easiest way to produce/DJ. You see it all the time people asking how do you make minimal drums? How do you make that trance sound? etc... I could keep going on but im at work now and must go. |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
3. Pitch bendy Psy Leads. yawn. Get something new. |
Pitch bend is often quite psychedelic. So I can see the use.
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4. Distorted guitars. Didn't we move on to electronic music to get away from this crap? |
Agreed.
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4. Random eastern instruments and vocals. Cmon ppl. Yawn. |
Personally I like the feel they give. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
I've got some to add.
1. Squelchy Psy Kicks. These are just lame. They were kind of cool 10 years ago, but ever since Fruity Loops came with a sample of one it has been over used by every psy producer and his granma.
2. That Psy Saw Bass. Everyone knows the bass im talking about. The rolling bass, KxXx KxXx KxXx KxXx. Jesus christ lame. Who thought to make a genre out of stealing this classic trance bass pattern and adding a squelchy kick?
3. Pitch bendy Psy Leads. yawn. Get something new.
4. Distorted guitars. Didn't we move on to electronic music to get away from this crap?
4. Random eastern instruments and vocals. Cmon ppl. Yawn. |
Dont even try to bash psytrance haha. Get on some hallucinogenics then listen to some psytrance. Takes you to another dimension entirely cuz it hypnotizes the out of you (hence psy-trance). And that is what it is made for, to be listened to on drugs. After you have a nice psychedelic experience you will have a new profound interest in psy/goa-trance.
goa/psy-trance + hallucinogenics = <3 |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
Dont even try to bash psytrance haha. Get on some hallucinogenics then listen to some psytrance. Takes you to another dimension entirely cuz it hypnotizes the out of you (hence psy-trance). And that is what it is made for, to be listened to on drugs. After you have a nice psychedelic experience you will have a new profound interest in psy/goa-trance.
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Agreed ;) Bitch pend has a quite psychedelic effect when used well. Of course you can't really apprecciate psychedelic "feels" if you haven't experienced them yourself. As well as you can't appreciate any music style unless it has a feeling ground in you. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
I liked psy-trance even before I had listened to it on psychedelics.
Have to say that listening to some psy on acid was quite fun, though. :) |
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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Nacht
Hey man your rant would be very cool if it was reality. The truth is most of these people are producing just so they can say hey I have a song on Beatport. Most of them dont care about being original and they are just looking for the fastest and easiest way to produce/DJ. You see it all the time people asking how do you make minimal drums? How do you make that trance sound? etc... I could keep going on but im at work now and must go. |
Fair enough to say, I respect that opinion, but this phenomena has occured in all music styles at all times, it just means you have to spend some time weeding out the rubbish from the wannabes.
I also think that people who are asking how to make minimal drums are just as likely to be looking for a way to reinterpret that particular sound and make it original as they are looking to rip it off verbatim and reuse it for profit. |
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| Jimb0b |
Got to admit that one thing that kind of annoys me with the majority of trance produced is the same old intro routine. Start off with the kick, add some percussion, add some bass etc before you actually get to anything.
I know I know people are going to say it's so it can be mixed in a set, but there isnt much trance that you can actually just stick on and get straight into the tune, there is always about a 2 minute intro and 2 minute outro with the song itself stuck in the middle, I know there will be exceptions to the rule and some producers can really work the intro into an exciting climax for the main tune, but I feel the majority of tracks are just filler for the first 2 (ish) minutes.
I usually find myself just fast forwarding the first couple of minutes to get to the actual song itself, and cant help but think this is kind of what makes trance music a little bit "samey" and "just another trance track".
rant over :D |
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| kitphillips |
| Because trance isn't designed to be listened to as a single in the same way as rock/pop. Its designed to be listened to as a journey through different tracks, which is the reason for the long intros, your listening to stuff that only DJs deal with. That's one of the things I like about trance, you never touch the skip button, you have to listen to all the tracks on the record for it to make sense. unlike rock where the first three tracks of the album are the singles and the rest are just boring filler most of the time. |
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| Jimb0b |
I knew someone would come back with an answer along those lines, and although I do agree with what your saying, if you really like a song that you hear out in the club and want to go and buy it, you dont really want the long intro / outro unless it has been done well, you just want to listen to the "song".
I kind of see trance as a producers kind of music, in as much as I feel a lot of the people who like / listen to trance actually produce it and maybe loose touch a little with actually making a "song", more something that will just "fit in".
I just feel sometimes that there is a real lack of innovation and / or complete saturation of tracks and it's a real job sorting the good from the bad, it's almost as though there is more producers than there is listeners, almost to the point where people are just making music for themselves, which I suppose is no bad thing, but the quality suffers I think.
Maybe its just me getting old, I just dont hear much stuff that excites me these days, its pretty much the same old / same old. My favourite times where 99 / 00 when there seemed to be a lot of fresh stuff about and some good producers, also some of the tracks from the early / mid 90's (cygnus x etc..., eye q & harthouse label stuff)
Anyway its late and im starting to waffle! lol |
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