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IRL & Champ Cars to finally merge? (pg. 2)
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moongoose
Even with all the aids F1 cars are seriously hard to drive. Im actually glad that every year an aid or two gets banned so that soon it will be just like in the late 80s & early 90s...just man and machine.
And as for overtaking, the guys on top gear had a great idea how to mkae drivers pass eachother more. Give each F1 driver a salary they can live on...50.000� for example. Then, give them a 1.000.000 � each time they overtake somebody and see how long they complain about how hard it is to overtake :D |
I don't think its because they are not motivated enough to overtake, Its just hard with all the aerodynamics.
Looking forward to 2009 season with a radical reducing of aero + slicks! yeah |
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| biznology |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
I don't think its because they are not motivated enough to overtake, Its just hard with all the aerodynamics.
Looking forward to 2009 season with a radical reducing of aero + slicks! yeah |
meh, its still its gonna be a money related pissing contest. nothing will change. whomever spends the most gets a chance to pass, but the whole system isnt cohesive enough to accept true competition| |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
meh, its still its gonna be a money related pissing contest. nothing will change. whomever spends the most gets a chance to pass, but the whole system isnt cohesive enough to accept true competition| |
pretty much. which is why i fell so much in love with CART coz the racing was just so damned close, lots of passing, lots of crashing, and michael andretti had my baby :) |
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| stren |
lol a bunch of cynics here I see
welp, I hope for the best |
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| pkcRAISTLIN |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
lol a bunch of cynics here I see
welp, I hope for the best |
that's due to years of sitting up late and watching a race where there's 10 seconds between each car, and you need to go down to a battle for 9th to see some decent racing.
best cars, best drivers, worst excitement. |
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| stren |
| I guess I'm still an idealist, this will be my 2nd full season watching F1 :p |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
well f1 cars pretty much change every year due to regulations, so there were years of 1000hp f1 machines, but they didnt last long. champ cars usually ranged 700-900 hp, although heavier. im not sure about easier to drive however, as f1 cars have basically driven themselves with all the driver aids for decades now. f1 hasnt much had real drivers machines since the late sixties - before downforce. |
Downforce is nowadays present in every major open wheel series, and that includes CART/IRL. It doesn't necessarily make it easier to drive, it only s up passing. Thankfully the regulations are changing for 2009, the quality of racing in the last couple years in F1 really went downhill as the cars became ridiculously aero-sensitive when following another car. My opinion is that F1 and Indycars simply require slightly different styles of driving, some might be better at one category and crap at the other, but talent should give race wins anyway.
The other thing that gives CART/IRL close racing is the single-chassis, everyone has the same equipment even if some teams are better at handling it than others, while F1 teams all build their own cars increasing the difference. Personally I like watching both F1 for the top class performance, and GP2/A1GP for entertainment with single-chassis. These lower level european series are full of noob drivers, but that makes it more unpredictable and you can spot some of the future stars before they reach F1. |
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| biznology |
but it seems that in europe the rise to the top (or lack thereof) is much more institutionalized. there is nothing genetically that makes a european driver *better* than an american one, but it seems that without the strict institution - american drivers are worse.
in the US the culture is a bit more patchwork, but most of the successful drivers have been driving just as long as in europe. its just in autocross, karting, dirt track - not the fia system. that being said, many of the most popular arent the best. ffs in nascar they hire people like boris said to race the road courses as many of the drivers of ovals cannot be competitive. thats bs. |
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by biznology
but it seems that in europe the rise to the top (or lack thereof) is much more institutionalized. there is nothing genetically that makes a european driver *better* than an american one, but it seems that without the strict institution - american drivers are worse.
in the US the culture is a bit more patchwork, but most of the successful drivers have been driving just as long as in europe. its just in autocross, karting, dirt track - not the fia system. that being said, many of the most popular arent the best. ffs in nascar they hire people like boris said to race the road courses as many of the drivers of ovals cannot be competitive. thats bs. |
American drivers don't lack talent, what happens is that in the US drivers are mostly groomed to race in stockcars in ovals, while in Europe they're mostly groomed to race in open-wheelers in road courses. The fact CART and IRL have been going at each others throats for over a decade doesn't help, NASCAR has won too much ground. Some of the their top talents like Tony Stewart and Allmendinger have moved to NASCAR, this sort of stuff doesn't help. |
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| denys envy |
hay guise!
ohh look, a sports discussion thread. hmm... |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by denys envy
hay guise!
ohh look, a sports discussion thread. hmm... |
look for threads that belong in the political discussion , make it your quest! |
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| denys envy |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
look for threads that belong in the political discussion , make it your quest! |
but they aren't serious discussion. this one actually sounds legit. |
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