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OMG so funny. (pg. 3)
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by LeopoldStotch
i have met and talked to a few schizophrenic bums. the bums who think they're one person one day, and another person the next. then, i also have sat next to, not have a conversation with, homeless people who thought their children were sitting next to them. :wtf: |
At least rinster/bidor's friend has some sort of future. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Ah, I see the source of confusion. I probably stated my disagreement too simplistically when I used the term "mental processes." I intended to refer to the total sum of mental activity, including the perception and integration of past experience, which could influence the decision in any way. |
Okay.
| quote: | | My point of view is based on the simple fact that, well, your personal history is a part of you. That is, your personal history, to the extent that it can influence you, at least, has been physically integrated into your brain (i.e. you.) Therefore, even if your personal history did determine your choice, it would only do so insofaras your personal history is you, and therefore you would still be fully responsible for the outcome of your decisions. And, at least if responsibility is to be a useful concept, we have to at least be responsible for ourselves -- "i'm not responsible, my genes and my personal history made me do it!" suggests a sort of dualism that I simply do not believe in. You can't separate genetics and the cognitive effects of your personal history from "you," so if that's why you made a decision, then you're fully responsible for it. |
What you noted about the impossibility of separating the "you" from genetics and past experiences is a good point, and this is why I don't find "responsibility" a very useful concept (and also why I mostly tried to avoid using it until I responded to you). But I think the idea of imputing "responsibility" to a person for the results of his genetics and upbringing is absurd, and yet that is, at least in part, what we do if we attach "responsibility for actions" to him as a kind of metaphysical label. Holding people accountable for poor behavior has a lot of social utility in setting up incentives and keeping things running smoothly, of course, but I don't think that "responsibility" is very coherent as a philosophical concept. |
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| zoogla |
This thread calls for a
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
WOLL SMOTH
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post. |
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| gehzumteufel |
this has turned into a great discussion.
really, what arbiter has said in his last post, was exactly how i think about it. jive you have made some very good arguments for all your reasoning, but that doesnt mean its an acceptable means of justifying the actions of oneself imho. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by gehzumteufel
jive you have made some very good arguments for all your reasoning, but that doesnt mean its an acceptable means of justifying the actions of oneself imho. |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Such circumstances do not "justify" a criminal life or drinking oneself into homelessness... |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
What you noted about the impossibility of separating the "you" from genetics and past experiences is a good point, and this is why I don't find "responsibility" a very useful concept (and also why I mostly tried to avoid using it until I responded to you). But I think the idea of imputing "responsibility" to a person for the results of his genetics and upbringing is absurd, and yet that is, at least in part, what we do if we attach "responsibility for actions" to him as a kind of metaphysical label. Holding people accountable for poor behavior has a lot of social utility in setting up incentives and keeping things running smoothly, of course, but I don't think that "responsibility" is very coherent as a philosophical concept. |
Yeah, I basically agree with you. The idea of responsibility is much more useful in a pragmatic sense than philosophically. |
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| zoogla |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
:wtf: |
Pursuit of Happyness, anyone? :rolleyes: |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
;) |
right i saw that. i really should have expanded on the thought..oh well. i really overall agree with both arguments. there are just some differences that we all have. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Good. Now we can discuss this "Woll Smoth" person. |
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| gehzumteufel |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Good. Now we can discuss this "Woll Smoth" person. |
LOL those pics are funny. |
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