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question i Kicks how many layers
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| Waza |
hi all,
just a little i was wondering how many layers of kick everyone does as when i only do 1 or 2 it sounds weak. but iif you do more how many low end kicks and mid range etc do you use or is it all todo with compression and eq.
thanks for anyone help here. |
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| System101 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Waza
hi all,
just a little i was wondering how many layers of kick everyone does as when i only do 1 or 2 it sounds weak. but iif you do more how many low end kicks and mid range etc do you use or is it all todo with compression and eq.
thanks for anyone help here. |
usually only 1... all i can really say is start with a good sample. you can't make a really ty kick sound AMAZING |
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| phantom limb |
Usually, 1 kick, but sometimes 2--1 to cover the high frequencies and the other doing the low. In actuality, it really depends on what sounds good to you and if everything fits. As System 101 said, it is overall just better to get 1 rather premium sampled kick. Better to work with something that is good quality.
EQing and compression definitely aid in the process and will most likely be necessary to use--depends on what the creator did with the sample. |
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| derail |
As stated, it depends on the samples you have. There are a few excellent sample CDs out there which have kicks you can use straight up with no extra processing required. That's by far the quickest and easiest way to go, many fantastic producers have made many fantastic tracks this way.
Some (equally fantastic) producers make their own from sine waves and add in a sample to cover the high end of the kick. Then they layer the samples together to achieve one cohesive sound. I don't use this method, but I'd say generally people would layer two sounds rather than three or more. Once again, you want to start with high quality sounds in the first place, otherwise you'll be trying to do a lot of processing ("okay, this kick has some nice oomph around 200Hz...so I'll set up a bandpass filter around there and use that..."), which is still unlikely to sound as good as using the right samples/ sounds to start with.
Quickest and easiest - a high quality sample CD, find the right sample and you're done, time to move on to the other sounds! |
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| piku303 |
| would any of you guys care to share some kicks from vengeance?....i dont want to buy the whole thing and get all the other stuff, i just want to the kicks. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| You only ever need one. You can add others for flavor. Just get a few 909 samples and see what you can think of. |
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| Waza |
| thanks for the reply's much appreciated i'll look into buying sample cds what would you recommend vengeance or any other new ones that came on the market. |
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| derail |
piku303, you're asking in a public forum whether we'll share commercial Vengeance kicks, which expressly say they are licensed for only the purchaser?
My goodness.
They're really not that expensive and if you buy a CD you can use them and let other people listen to your tracks with no worries that anyone will question whether your samples/ sounds are all legal. (Umm... unless you have some cracked VST synths...)
I've only ever had experience with the Vengeance samples...though heaps of the kicks have reverb, fx and stuff applied...the UK trance kicks folder on Vengeance Essential Clubsounds 2 has about 150 very nice, and very clean for the most part, kicks. I'd recommend VEC2.
Having said that, sample CDs like Uberschall, Thomas Penton keep coming up...or Drums Overkill? That one sounds like it has a massive quantity, hopefully the quality is up there too...
Just going on my experience, a lot of the Vengeance kicks are fine to use straight up, no more compression required, no layering required. I sometimes do very small eq adjustments, but that's it. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by System101
usually only 1... all i can really say is start with a good sample. you can't make a really ty kick sound AMAZING |
youd be surprised what you can do with compression and eq i think |
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| BOOsTER |
| quote: | Originally posted by derail
let other people listen to your tracks with no worries that anyone will question whether your samples/ sounds are all legal. |
I laughed really hard about this...while your argument is completely valid and I don't see anything bad about you saying a no-no to warez...but this is ridiiiiiiculously ridiciiiiilioussssss....have you ever seen someone being sued for using a stolen kick sample? :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
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| Jono404 |
| quote: | Originally posted by BOOsTER
I laughed really hard about this...while your argument is completely valid and I don't see anything bad about you saying a no-no to warez...but this is ridiiiiiiculously ridiciiiiilioussssss....have you ever seen someone being sued for using a stolen kick sample? :stongue: :stongue: :stongue: |
Nah but studios have been sued for piracy of Waves plugins |
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| derail |
The chances of being sued for using a stolen kick sample are ridiculously small. Potentially if you ask for people to provide commercial samples to you for free, in a public forum, you may be more likely to be noticed using stolen kick samples. Still highly unlikely though.
Paying for samples/ software leads to better tools being developed. If people notice "hey, there's great money to be made in quality sample CDs", then more people/ companies will make quality sample CDs and the price could come down as a result.
I pay for all the software and hardware I use, I want to support these companies and enourage them to develop new, improved products. |
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