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Is this cheating? (pg. 2)
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| nefardec |
no
i spend a vast amount of time keying/bpming my tracks and preparing for gigs. vinyl just doesn't make sense all the time (as much as i love it) and if you've used cdjs at least once you will notice that certain numbers and differences in pitch % keep popping up... |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
Awesome post. |
+10 |
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| Stasis |
| quote: | Originally posted by nefardec
...if you've used cdjs at least once you will notice that certain numbers and differences in pitch % keep popping up... |
Definitely agree with previous posters. Even if you don't literally write out and calculate BPM on records/CDs, I think it's just natural to start doing mental math when beat matching tracks after a few weeks/months/years of practice. |
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| RichOK |
It's not cheating, as long as you are using it to mix cleaner mixes, or do things that you wouldn't be able to do if you had to had to "guess" the BPM off the cuff, like improv mashups, or dropping acapellas and the like.
short of playing a pre-recorded set , whatever you do (BPM, Key) to produce a better/cleaner/fuller sounds or mixes, it's fair game. |
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| DJ Manuel C |
| One thing that I still cant seem to understand is why everything is becoming so political with this scene?? I actually wrote to judge jules one day regarding this issue. I asked him if it was "cheating" to pre-program a set...in other words, have your tracks sorted out in a particular layout. He mentioned that usually in big events, this is what DJ's do. Its more intimate when they are at venues (play it more by ear and by crowd reaction), however when they want to make a musical statement @ an event, usually their tracks are sorted out. I dont see what the problem is with labeling your tracks with certain traits that enable your mixing (i.e BPM's). The only thing I see fucced up is when I heard Tiesto pre-recorded all his tracks for a set with the same bpm. No beat matching necessary throughout the whole set...wow what a champion! lol any way just do what ever makes you comfortable and what sounds good! |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Manuel C
The only thing I see fucced up is when I heard Tiesto pre-recorded all his tracks for a set with the same bpm. No beat matching necessary throughout the whole set...wow what a champion! |
Well, if he feels he needs to and it sounds better...
But you would have thought he wouldn't need to so he could spend his time doing more constructive things! |
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| elFreak |
| a set at a constant bpm never works for long sets. Tempo shifts are important....i really hate Tiesto:p |
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| DJ Z |
i dont really understand what the big deal is about converting bpms to % changes.
you start the next track & if it's a different tempo you just push the slider until it matches...
even if u are one of the types to calculate that you will need a 1.2% change to be matched (for example), you sill havent even started beatmatching yet!
i like to at least know what bpm to expect next so i dont slap down a 140 track against the 130 track that is playing - if i have to i will, but not desired. |
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| ezbeats |
that guy is romanticizing 'djing', let him do it how he want, u do it how you want. and honestly, if you using vinyl, its in your best interest as after i believe its like 5%ish of a bpm change the actual key signature changes, so even if you think these songs are perfect together technically (though all this is artistic and to each their own) the song will sound 'sour'. keying/bpming your records are VITAL to reach the next step IMO. but thats just me, and given enough years i think most people believe the same.
on a side note; thats a perk of using cdj's as when you alter the speed you dont affect the pitch (key signature) of a song like you do with actual records and turntables. so thats my 2 cents- |
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| DJ Z |
| quote: | Originally posted by ezbeats
that guy is romanticizing 'djing', let him do it how he want, u do it how you want. and honestly, if you using vinyl, its in your best interest as after i believe its like 5%ish of a bpm change the actual key signature changes, so even if you think these songs are perfect together technically (though all this is artistic and to each their own) the song will sound 'sour'. keying/bpming your records are VITAL to reach the next step IMO. but thats just me, and given enough years i think most people believe the same.
on a side note; thats a perk of using cdj's as when you alter the speed you dont affect the pitch (key signature) of a song like you do with actual records and turntables. so thats my 2 cents- |
im definitely with you on the keying..that is a big step! oh hell i'm gonna just go buy an 800 :) |
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| the_gamemaster |
You can get vinyl tt's with key lock you know.
Its way more hassle to mess about labelling your records with bpm and then working out how much to alter the pitch by than just matching them by ear imo. |
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| Stu Cox |
| quote: | Originally posted by the_gamemaster
You can get vinyl tt's with key lock you know.
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Yep, but like all key lock functions it sounds gash outside about +/-2%, within which you don't really need it anyway! |
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