i'll preface this by saying I am nearly full-blood sicilian (which is a hodge podge of various Mediterranean peoples anyways)
The Romans' only innovations were technological in nature. As far as their architecture, art, culture - this was almost entirely imported.
The real history of roman civilization begins with italic tribal societies that grew into minor civilizations - the Latins, Etruscans..
The first rome was a collection of many small huts that were situation on the various hills of Rome, which was originally a swamp with a road through it that carried salt to the coast.
Early rome was far from impressive. In order to enlarge their collective penis, they built a massive temple to Jupiter on the top of the capitoline hill. During the time of republican rome, it was the greeks who were really the stars of the world. The Greeks had temples and colonies everywhere - some of the best preserved settlements today are in Paestum on the peninsula and at various locations in Sicily. Naples' oldest area is entirely based on an underlying greek colonial city plan (still visible)
Basically, the Romans ripped off the greek culture. They took only the aspects that would allow them to make themselves more impressive. The Romans were a very practical people. They took the beautiful greek temples, a completely 3D spatial system that provided public space and promoted openness and generally beautiful surroundings, and turned them into private, facade-based political instruments. Most roman artwork at pompeii for example, was done by artists from Greece and Egypt. There was a huge cosmopolitan culture in the Mediterranean that a lot of people don't think about - lots of cross-fertilization.
Also - you might be familiar with the typical black-glazed greek vase that is nearly synonomous with classical greek culture -
did you know that all of the examples we have of this greek pottery were discovered on italian soil? It's because the etruscans and romans imported everything and stole the greek culture.
The roman religion was another thing stolen from the greeks
Even roman catholicism is a hybridization of pagan beliefs from egypt and greece. Check out "Christianity: An Ancient Egpytian Religion, by Ahmed Osman"
so basically - romans stole most everything and re-engineered it.
italians do have to their credit:
Roads across europe
Domes
Perspective/Leon Batiste Alberti
Banking
Some of the earliest foward thinking paintings in the world (eg Giotto's Arena Chapel)
Palladio
University Culture (University of Bologna is among the earliest in europe)
Cars with soul
Cristoforo Colombo
Fellini
Fermi
and of course: Cannoli, Cavatelli, Fettucine, Gnocchi, Arancie Siciliane, Gorgonzola, Chianti, Pino Grigio, Mozzarella di Bufala, Tiramisu, Gelato, etc
but to say that that's any more than the rest of Europe is just absurd.
COR VERSION:
the romans ripped off the greeks. italians have done cool stuff, but so has everyone else.
in any case
FORZA AZZURRI!
wizniz
god damn.
smakmagik
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Originally posted by nefardec
yawn
jonze
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Originally posted by bas
lolcheaters
hater :p
montie
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Originally posted by chucho
should i post my own "Say what you will...But Mexicans have done more in this world..." thread?
italy football team = cheaters
Viva Mexico!
SuspicionVandit
so basically everyone stole America's ideas and claimed them as their own. I guess there's a reason we have to brag about our new accomplishments now, thanks a lot international community!
phyrrus
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we've done everything, invented everything and everything that we did not invent we perfected.
you also happened to "invent" catholicism which ruined the world forever
Saka
Italy sucks.
The last real empire was the British empire, which when it started to subdue led only to the brit-american realtionship u see at the forefront of todays world-leadership.
And talking about the Roman empire, it quickly conquered what the greeks had conquered over a matter of a few years, only because alexander died, and the 4greek generals under him were power greedy. where the foundatuions of a very powerful nation were already set but not yet given chance to flourish the romans quickly stepped in. it would have been alot harder for the romans had the greeks not conquered such a vast ammount in a way that they had, the romans fought very different and subdued people alot less than the greeks, who gave more freedom to those under there rule.
pkcRAISTLIN
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Originally posted by Vivid Boy
then any other nationality in the world. we've done everything, invented everything and everything that we did not invent we perfected. when u think of the best quality in the world for cars you think ferrari and lamborghini, when you think of best food in the world you think italy, when you think most historical o****ry you think italy, when you think of inventions that have effected mankind the most you think of italy.
and when uthinkbest tv show u think sopranos u mamaluc's
We almost toook over the in world at one point.
i pledge legion to rome.
if youre so ing wonderful
why did you suck so much in WW2?
why did greece beat you to democracy?
why did you invent homosexuality?
why have your governments been rife with political corruption and instability?
why did the roman empire crumble?
why are your women so fat and hairy?
chucho
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
oh boy
this thread is dead to me
good luck :gsmile:
Saka
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
if youre so ing wonderful
why did you suck so much in WW2?
why did greece beat you to democracy?
why did you invent homosexuality?
why have your governments been rife with political corruption and instability?
why did the roman empire crumble?
why are your women so fat and hairy?
