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holy crosswind batman! (pg. 2)
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
this is why you get a weather report BEFORE you land. what that pilot did was extremely risky |
Weather reports are a part of all flightplans. The jet was coming in on final in what's called crab-angle, where the pilot points the aircraft along a vector that compensates for the cross-wind and strightens out just before touchdown...which is when the gust drops his leeward wing. Technically, it is the responsibility of the air traffic control to determine if it's too risky to land at that aerodrome, then the decision is left to the pilot. Who says they had fuel enough to divert? They could have been sitting in circuit for a long time. If there was a guy filming it, there were obviously other jets coming down safely before him. Sheer happenstance.
All this pilot did was save a load of lives and bitch-slap mother nature. |
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| [mart] |
| Wow, that was pretty scary to watch. It seems unbelievable that the pilot would even try to land with that wind - better to land at another airport than kill everyone, to be honest. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Weather reports are a part of all flightplans. The jet was coming in on final in what's called crab-angle, where the pilot points the aircraft along a vector that compensates for the cross-wind and strightens out just before touchdown...which is when the gust drops his leeward wing. Technically, it is the responsibility of the air traffic control to determine if it's too risky to land at that aerodrome, then the decision is left to the pilot. Who says they had fuel enough to divert? They could have been sitting in circuit for a long time. If there was a guy filming it, there were obviously other jets coming down safely before him. Sheer happenstance.
All this pilot did was save a load of lives and bitch-slap mother nature. |
yet, his second landing (coming from the OTHER direction) was no problem. aside from other air traffic, he should have landed that way to begin with... |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
yet, his second landing (coming from the OTHER direction) was no problem. aside from other air traffic, he should have landed that way to begin with... |
You should totally write a complaint to the airline ;) |
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| PoisonJam19 |
| Pilot has skillz. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by PoisonJam19
Pilot got lucky. |
fixed, lol |
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| eROs.au |
| holy , i fly back to australia this friday...i really didnt need to see that vid. :nervous: |
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| Dr. DAS |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
yet, his second landing (coming from the OTHER direction) was no problem. aside from other air traffic, he should have landed that way to begin with... |
Crosswind is crosswind, be it from the left or from the right...makes no difference. Ideally you take off and land into the wind, to maximize airflow & lift at lower speeds. Most likely, his second attempt was successful because he didn't get the gust he did the first time.
Again, ATC determines the direction of the pattern, not the pilot. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
Crosswind is crosswind, be it from the left or from the right...makes no difference. Ideally you take off and land into the wind, to maximize airflow & lift at lower speeds. Most likely, his second attempt was successful because he didn't get the gust he did the first time.
Again, ATC determines the direction of the pattern, not the pilot. |
i understand that. but what i'm saying is that why did he experience this when trying to land the first time, but not coming the other direction? what, did he circle around long enough for the winds to shift? crosswinds are usually not an isolated event.
plus, the ATC (at least, all AF ones) get information about weather, including crosswind advisories. this is information that they should send to the pilot, and try to reroute him to a diff runway or diff path or something.
i'm not trying to put a blame on anyone, i just think that the pilot should have been informed about the event before he landed. and if he did know about it, shouldn't have tried to be a "badass" or whatever and think, "oh, i can land/fly in anything!" mentality. ffs, he's dealing w/ passengers' lives, not his ego |
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| _Nut_ |
| quote: | Originally posted by tubularbills
i understand that. but what i'm saying is that why did he experience this when trying to land the first time, but not coming the other direction? what, did he circle around long enough for the winds to shift? crosswinds are usually not an isolated event.
plus, the ATC (at least, all AF ones) get information about weather, including crosswind advisories. this is information that they should send to the pilot, and try to reroute him to a diff runway or diff path or something.
i'm not trying to put a blame on anyone, i just think that the pilot should have been informed about the event before he landed. and if he did know about it, shouldn't have tried to be a "badass" or whatever and think, "oh, i can land/fly in anything!" mentality. ffs, he's dealing w/ passengers' lives, not his ego |
From what I am finding out - the FAA Flight Services / ATC get their information from NWS CWSU's (Central Weather Service Units) [at least here in AK]. The tower calls for a briefing on their terms - but then again I don't think this was the US so as I write this I have no idea. |
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| Dr. DAS |
| He was coming in just fine with the crosswind, these jets are designed to handle it, I just think he got an unlucky gust the first time around that he didn't get the second time. |
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| tubularbills |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. DAS
He was coming in just fine with the crosswind, these jets are designed to handle it, I just think he got an unlucky gust the first time around that he didn't get the second time. |
this makes more sense. |
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